Helmut Melzer
UMlawuli Kurt Langbein (Unomfanekiso ngakwesobunxele) uncomeka kakhulu kwaye unembono entle kakhulu kamva Amaxwebhu "Ixesha le-Utopias" Yaziswa kwi-cinema. Umhleli woKhetho uHelmut Melzer ubambe ithuba kunye naye kwaye Trade fairUmlawuli olawulayo Hartwig Kirner (r.) Ukuqhuba incoko eneenkcukacha kakhulu, esizisa apha ngobude bokuqala.
UKUQALA: Izolo ndibukele imovie kwaye ndiyithanda kakhulu. Ingakumbi kuba ihamba kwicala elinye, apho ikwabonisa ukhetho.
IKURT LANGBEIN: Ke siphantse ukuba singabazalwana emoyeni.
UKUQALA: Singabazalwana ngokomoya, ndiyacinga, nonke apha. Ewe siya kuthetha ngefilimu kwincoko yethu, kodwa ndithanda ukuxoxa ngakumbi. Ingxoxo malunga nombuzo eyenzeka amatyeli aliqela kwifilimu, ethi esi sihloko sethu sisonke, yeyiphi eyona nto ibaluleke kakhulu. Yeyiphi indlela ebalaseleyo yokufezekisa utshintsho olukhankanyiweyo kuluntu olucinga ngokwahlukileyo? Oku kunjalo iiprojekthi ezininzi ezincinci ezahlukeneyo zithathwe kunye, iFairtrade yintshukumo enkulu. Kwaye ifilimu malunga ne-Fairtrade ngokuqinisekileyo ikwangumntu onomdla. Kodwa: ngaba inkqubo ekhoyo inokutshintsha ngokusetyenziswa? Uninzi lwabantu lusanaka ingqalelo kuphela kwiindleko zemveliso.
LANGBEIN: Impendulo yam nguEwe ocacileyo. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba iintshukumo zabathengi, nkqu neelebhile ezizimeleyo kwaye ezilungileyo ezifana neFairtrade, ngokungafaniyo neSmmählabels eziqondiswe kumzi-mveliso, ezona ntengiso zentengiso ziluncedo, zibaluleke kakhulu kwigalelo lomsebenzi wokwazi kunye nokubonelela ngenkuthalo, kwaye ziyaziwa yenza ukuba kukho isidingo esomeleleyo apho. I-Fairphone ihamba ngendlela efanayo, ngokungathi kunjalo, ngaphakathi kwe-logic yemalike yokuzama ukuvelisa iimveliso ezifanelekileyo, kodwa bayazi nokuba oku kuphela. Ungayibona loo nto, nabo, kwaye abayifihli loo nto. Kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba injongo iya phambili, kwaye, ngokucacileyo, kukuphambuka kwe-Iron Curtain, esiyibiza uqoqosho lweemarike, i-Iron Curtain phakathi kwabavelisi kunye nabathengi. Kwaye ndiyathemba kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba iintshukumo ezinjengeFairphone nazo ziya kunika imibutho yabathengi abanomdla kakhulu ekutshintshiselweni ngokuthe ngqo kunye nolwazi ngqo kubathengi. Kwaye ukuba ngokomgaqo kunokwenzeka, ndiyathetha, kubonisa umzekelo kaHansalim kwifilimu. Njengoko utshintshiselwano lwenzeka njengoko sisenza kwezolimo ezincinci ezizinzileyo. Kwaye ndacinga ngaphakathi kwam: "Kulungile, kulungile, kodwa ayikaze ibe nkulu." Kwaye ungabona ukuba iyasebenza.
I-1,5 inokunikezela ngezigidi zabantu ngqo kubalimi ngokutya okutsha kwendalo. Utshintshiselwano lwenzeka ngqo kwaye imakethi icinyiwe ecaleni, enesiphumo esimnandi sokuba abalimi bafumana okungaphezulu kunoko bebeya kukufumana kwimveliso yeFairtrade, eyi70 yepesenti yoko kuhlawulwe ngabathengi , Ke leyo iya kuba linyathelo elilandelayo.
Kwam ezi zimbini iindlela zokuzibandakanya okunamandla okutshabalalisa kwale nkqubo yezoqoqosho ngengqondo elungileyo ayihambelani, kodwa eneneni kunye. Kodwa kukho amanqanaba amabini kuphuhliso endikholelwa ukuba kufuneka lwenzekile, ukuze abantwana bethu kunye nabazukulwana, bahlale kweli nqanaba, bangafumani thuba, lokufumana ithuba lokuphila ngokugqibeleleyo emhlabeni.
UMHLAZI we-HARTWIG: Kum ngokuqinisekileyo iyindlela yokutshintsha umhlaba ngokusebenzisa ulwazi. Ukusetyenziswa okungaphezulu akunakuliphucula ilizwe. Ewe kunjalo, ukuba ndithenga izihlangu ezininzi, iimoto ezininzi, iifowuni ezingaphezulu, umhlaba awuzukubangcono. Kuya kuba ngcono ngokuthenga ngakumbi ngesazela. Ndizenzele umzekelo. Ndisoloko ndithenga izihlangu ezixabiso eliphantsi ngoku, kwaye ngoku izibini ezibini ziye zaqhekeka emva ukunxiba amaxesha alishumi ngenxa yokuba zazinqabile, ndacinga, "Wenza ntoni? Ulahla izihlunu ezithathu zezihlangu apha enyakeni, nangona unganakho, ukuba uthenge isibini esinengqondo, onokunxiba iminyaka esixhenxe, isibhozo. "Kungabiza kakhulu ngaphezulu ekuqaleni, kodwa ekugqibeleni kosuku ndinemveliso, endonwaba ngakumbi ngalo.
Ngamanye amagama, ingxaki esisoloko sinayo kukuba sicinga ukuba ngempazamo ikukuzinza, oko kukuthi, ukulahla kwakhona intlalo-ntle yakhe.
Ingxaki enye yayinentshukumo yendalo kwasekuqaleni, ukuba sicinga ukuba ezi yayiziimveliso nje zegubu. Kodwa oko kudala, iimveliso ze-organic ngoku ziyenye yeemveliso ezilungileyo. Kwaye imvakalelo yokuba kusafuneka ndisebenzise kwaye nditye imveliso engayonakalisi ngandlela ithile kwindalo, indenza ndonwabe ngakumbi, ngokungathi nditya nayiphi na imveliso. Kwaye kusebenza okufanayo kuwo onke amabakala azinzileyo. Kufuneka siyeke ukuveza lo mxholo wokuzimela ngomnwe ophakanyisiweyo kwaye siwudibanise kunye nale renunciation kunye ne-ascetic aura.
LANGBEIN: Kwaye yile nto siyiyo sonke, kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba sonke siyavuma ukuba sidinga ukuncitshiswa okukhulu kwixabiso lezinto ezisetyenzisiweyo. Kodwa ayisiyo ukulahla kwakhona, kodwa oko kunokuba kukufumana kwinqanaba lobomi. Kwi-Kalkbreite yentsebenzo, enokubonwa kwifilimu, abantu bachitha malunga nekota yamandla abo ekuhlaleni njengabanye, basebenza ngaphandle kweemoto kwaye banokusetyenziswa okuphantsi ngemitha nganye yesikwere. Zonke ezi zinto ucinga ukuba zithintele kakhulu. Kodwa baphila ngokumangalisayo, bubomi obonwabisayo, obobumnandi, obunokuzimisela, kuba zonke izigqibo bazenza ngokudibeneyo, kuba iyilentsebenziswano efanele igama layo, hayi ilebheli kuphela.
Le mizekelo ibonisa ukuba ukunciphisa abathengi kungabikho miqobo yobomi. Ngokuchasene noko, njengakudala, ulumkile Mnumzana Fromm: Ukuqheliselwa ukuba yinto yokwenyani akukho nto ingcono kuphela, kodwa kunobuhle ngaphezu koqheliselo lokuba nayo.
KIRNER: Leyo yingxelo elungileyo. Ndingayityikitya ngokupheleleyo.
UKUQALA: Kodwa ngaba unoluvo lokuba uninzi loluntu lwethu luyayiqonda kwaye iyakuqonda oku? Siphila kuluntu oluhlenga zingaphi ipesenti zemveliso zeFairtrade?
KIRNER: Le yipesenti entle ngoku, engaphezulu kwesiqingatha.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa ayisiyiyo yonke into esetyenzisiweyo.
KIRNER: No.
UKUQALA: Ngokuchanekileyo, yingongoma.
LANGBEIN: Ngaphezu kwesiqingatha sabantu ngamanye amaxesha bakhetha iimveliso ze-organic.
UKUQALA: Inani elingakholelekiyo labantu abathenga iimveliso ze-organic, kodwa hayi ngokukodwa, kodwa rhoqo emva koko. Nantso inqaku. Ndikuthelekisa oku kunye nokuzibandakanya namhlanje, ukuba ngenyaniso kuphela malunga nokuKrelekayo kunye nento ebizwa Clicktivism iphelelwa. Oko kuthetha ukuba uziva usebenze kwaye uzibophelele xa usayina uxwebhu lwezikhalazo kwi-Intanethi, olwenziwa kwimizuzwana ye-15. Ilungile kwaye ibalulekile, kodwa ayisiyo inkuthazo yokwenyani. Ke umbuzo wam ngowokuba: ntoni malunga nokuphumla okungahambi kunye, okunokwenzeka okunokwenzeka ukwenza i-70 yepesenti yoluntu lwethu?
LANGBEIN: Licala elinye elo, ngaphandle kwamathandabuzo. Kwaye ndisamangalisiwe xa ndibona ikholamu yabafundi kwisithili sethoba, bonke bethenga uhlobo oluthile lokutya okulula, nokuba kungorhatya. Ndicinga kum: Ndikwisiqithi ngokwenene. Ngokuqinisekileyo le ngxaki.
Kwaye ukuba ujonga, umzekelo, ukusetyenziswa kokutya ngokubanzi, sisekude kuphuhliso olufanelekileyo, kuba uphuhliso olunengqiqo lubizwa kuphela lommandla, lutsha kwaye ke luyinto ephilayo.
Kukho ukucinga ngokutsha okusisiseko esifanelekileyo ukuze ifama yezolimo ibekhona, kwaye ke ukuze siqhubeke ngokutya sisempilweni kwaye kungabi ngeendleko zeHlabathi lesiThathu, ngoku singenisa ngaphezulu kwesiqingatha kumazwe ahlala abantu kancinci Yiba nokutya. Kodwa elinye icala, ndiyakholelwa, lifanele ukubonwa. Akukho bungqina bunzulu apho, kodwa abantu abaninzi ngakumbi bathi: "Hayi, ndikhetha ukuhamba nam. Ndiyamisa okanye ndisebenza kunye ne-coop coop, ndisebenza kwisangqa sokuthengisa, ukujoyina intshukumo ye-commons okanye uqoqosho oluqhelekileyo oluhle. "Uninzi lwabantu luthatha amanyathelo asebenzayo, kodwa iyonke le nto ayibonakali ngokwaneleyo. Ndiyathetha, uxwebhu lwezikhalazo luphawu oluhle, kodwa luyabukeka kwaye alunantsingiselo. Kodwa into aba bantu bayasilela ngayo yingxelo eqhelekileyo kunye nemifanekiso yekamva, apho sifuna ukuya kunye. Kwaye ngoku ndiyaqonda, umzekelo, ifilimu njengegalelo elincinci kwinkcazo eqhelekileyo enjalo kwaye ndiyayiqonda intshukumo efana neFairtrade njengegalelo kule ngxelo. Sifuna kuphela ingxelo xa iyonke, sifuna imibono yekamva elisihambisa sisonke: singaya apho. Olu luluntu lwasemva kokukhula kwaye alukho kubutywala naseluthuthwini, kodwa obu bubomi obuhle obu malunga noko, ubomi obungcono kunye nobomi bokugcina ubutyebi. Kwaye apho sonke sifuna ukuya. Kwaye le ngxelo yabelanayo yinto esele isilela. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba baya kuyakha loo nto kwaye bayixelele.
KIRNER: Kuyingozi ukuthi, "Abanye abaqondi." Ayinyani. Ukuba sijonga iimveliso zommandla, umzekelo, kukuxhalaba okukhulu kubahlali baseOstriya ukuba sisebenzisa iimveliso zommandla. Akusayi kubakho namnye umntu ovela kwizifundo ezingafundanga kangako kumaphandle ase-Austria ongathi: "Ndicinga ukuba yinto entle ukuba satya iimveliso ezikhula kwingingqi yam."
UKUQALA: Kodwa inqaku kukuba, xa besiya esitolo, bathenga iziqhamo ezivela kumazwe akude, nangona kukho neemveliso zommandla kuloo ndawo.
KIRNER: Nelinye icala. Kwelinye icala, iivenkile ezinkulu ziya ziguqukela ekubeni neekona zazo zokutya kwalapha ekhaya, nkqu nakwiindawo ezisemaphandleni.
Kwaye oku akuyona into eyenzeka ngokudibeneyo, kodwa isiphumo soxinzelelo lwabathengi abafuna kwaye bayifunayo. Kwaye loo nto kufuneka yomelele kwaye kufuneka yomelele ngokukhawuleza.
Ewe, ukunganyamezeli endikuvayo kwimibuzo yakho, ndabelana ngokupheleleyo kuba asinalo ixesha elininzi elisele. Rhoqo ngonyaka sisebenzisa izixhobo zokusebenza zehlabathi kabini ngonyaka, kodwa sinehlabathi elinye kuphela. Ke lixesha lokuba wenze utshintsho olubalulekileyo.
UKUQALA: Apho, njengoko usitsho ngokwakho, olu tshintsho lubonakalayo luyenzeka. Ndicinga ukuba sonke siyayiva le nto. Nokuba oko kwanele kwaye ingaba ngokwenene sineminyaka ye-25 okanye nokuba sisafuna ukuyijonga ngokuthe ngcembe, ngumbuzo lowo. Kum, isitshixo kukuba ingaba le nyani lever enkulu. Umzekelo, ukuba ndijonga kwisicwangciso esiliqili semozulu, esithi ngokubhekisele kuzinzo sithathe amanyathelo amabini ukubuya kwinqanaba lokujonga iiNGO ezininzi ...
KIRNER: Kodwa andikwazi kukhulula abantu abanoxanduva kwaye ndiludlulisele kubo nabaphi na abathatha izigqibo zezopolitiko eVienna okanye eBrussels. Ndinoxanduva lwam. Namhlanje nje, xa ndandiqhuba, ndiye ndafunda inqaku elinomdla malunga neplastiki kwinkunkuma yezinto eziphilayo. Ayilotyala lezobupolitika, kodwa ngabantu abanolwamvila kakhulu lokususa iplastiki emgqomeni. Isingxobo seplastikhi endilahla apho, ewe, sasasazwa emasimini. Luxanduva lwethu oko.
Okwangoku kuyimfashini ukugxeka ukuhamba okuzinzileyo kwaye uthi abathengi abanoxanduva lwayo yonke into. Kulungile, kodwa banoxanduva kuninzi.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa ndingathanda ukuphepha ukugxotha umgaqo-nkqubo uxanduva kwaye sele ndixela ukuba uninzi lwezono ezinkulu zendalo kwiminyaka yamuva ziye zivela ngenxa yokungabikho komgaqo. Kwaye ukuba ngoku sinoorhulumente ababona kule migaqo phantse umfanekiso wotshaba kwaye bathi oko akuyimfuneko, ke ukhathalelo lufanelekileyo. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba kufuneka sinyanzelise ukuba ezopolitiko ziguqulele iziphumo zesayensi yendalo ibe yimithetho, kwaye ke iyonke imanyano yase-Yuropu ifuna, hayi i-Austria kuphela. Yintoni ethintela ipolitiki ekuthinteleni ngamandla ukuthintela le iplasitiki engenanyala yolwaphulo-mthetho kwezi zixa ngokwemigaqo? Okuchaseneyo kuyinyani, kuya kusanda, iikhonteyina zeplastiki ziyanda nangakumbi, ngakumbi ngemveliso elula. Yonke into igcwele ngeplastiki. Ewe kunjalo, imithetho inako okanye kufuneka ingenelele, kuba umthengi yedwa unobuthathaka kakhulu. Kwaye kufuneka sihambise ezopolitiko apho.
Kwaye oko kunokuba yindawo yokulala. Okwangoku, umgaqo-nkqubo wezolimo ubonakalisa ukuba ingayenza njani na loo nto, apho amashishini amakhulu kunye nemali enkulu yenza umculo, ukuya kuthi ga ngoku, kunye nemicimbi yezopolitiko yonke loo mculo.
UKUQALA: Kukho owona mzekelo mhle we-glyphosate. Olu phuhliso luhambe ngokupheleleyo kwezopolitiko.
LANGBEIN: Ewe, kunye nengxaki yokwenyani ne-glyphosate, ngokoluvo lwam, njengentatheli yezempilo, ayisiyo nto yokuba sisidumbu, kodwa eyona ngxaki kukuba ngumculo ohamba nawo kunye nophuliso lwendalo olupheleleyo olusisidenge kwezolimo, eyilembewu yembewu ehlanganisiweyo. Imizi-mveliso ngoku izama ukuzixhasa ngengcinezelo eyoyikisayo kwihlabathi liphela nangoncedo lwezopolitiko zaseYurophu. Njengoko ubona, ezopolitiko zinokwenza lukhulu. Kwimeko enjalo, kuya kubangela iyantlukwano yembewu ukuba ithintelwe kuyo yonke indawo kwaye amafama amancinci aya kuba namathuba ambalwa kunangaphambili.
UKUQALA: Ngaba isihloko sokuziqonda ngokwakho, esenzeka kwifilimu, yinto enkulu ekuqhubeni abantu kule ndawo?
KIRNER: Ukuziqonda ngokwakho, ukuzimela-ngokwakho, ndingathi, sele ndingenguye umpopayi wokusetyenziswa, kodwa dala ubomi bam kwaye namathuba okuphembelela oko. Le yinto yokuba, ndiyacinga, kufuneka sijonge kancinci. Abantu baseMelika abanamandla okuqhatha kunathi apha eYurophu kwiintlobo zabo zengqondo, ngokwengqondo yabo, abanoxanduva ngobomi babo. Abantu baseYurophu ngamanye amaxesha bayayicima kancinci lento.
Kwaye ndiyavuma ukuba amalungiselelo ezopolitiko ayimfuneko, kodwa ndicinga ukuba sinawo ezandleni zethu. Kwaye kuhle ukuba ndingazenzela isigqibo ngokwam.
Ndenza ubomi bam ngale ndlela ndiyifunayo, kwaye kungengenxa yokuba omnye umntu efuna ndinxibe uhlobo oluthile okanye mhlawumbi kufuneka ndibeneemoto ezimbini phambi komnyango, ndiyenzile. Lukhetho lwam.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa nakuleyo ndifuna iimeko zesikhokelo. Kwaye le ndlela yokuzimela, endiyithathela ingqalelo njengento ebaluleke kakhulu, kuba thina njengabantu kufuneka sizijongele phantsi kwaye sithwaxwa kukuphazanyiswa, yimeko yesakhelo somsebenzi wezoqoqosho, oko kukuthi xa usebenza, ingaba yimveliso yezolimo kunye nabalimi okanye urhwebo kunye nomzi mveliso. Ukuba inkuthazo ihamba kwicala elingalunganga kukho imveliso yezopolitiko. Kwaye le mveliso ayinakuphinda iguqulwe, kwaye loo nto kufuneka iphinde ibuyiselwe.
Ukuphakamisa iindlela zoqoqosho zokubambisana ziya kuba ngumsebenzi kwezopolitiko, kwaye kufuneka siyinyanzele loo nto. Kuba enye kukuziphatha komntu ngamnye kwaye omnye ngumsebenzi. Kwaye iifom zomsebenzi ngeli xesha zisekude kakhulu kude nefom yokuzimela. Kwaye ukuba ukhuthaza ukwenziwa kwemisebenzi yezandla kwakhona kwaye ukuba uyayixhasa iifom zemveliso yokulima yasemaphandleni kwakhona endaweni yecandelo lezolimo kunye nomziveliso omkhulu, ke iimeko zahlukile.
UKUQALA: Ngenxa yokuba ucinga ngale nto, ngokuqinisekileyo kuyaqondakala ukusuka kwinqanaba lezopolitiko lokuba imboni kunye neenkampani ezinkulu zinikwa inkxaso ekhethekileyo kuba, kunjalo, zidala inqanaba elahlukileyo ngokupheleleyo lokudala imisebenzi.
KIRNER: Kuba kufuneka ndiphikise ngoku. Ingakumbi e-Austria, iinkampani eziphakathi nendawo zezona zidala imisebenzi.
UKUQALA: Ngokombono wam, ewe, wenza kube lula kuwe ngokuxhasa nje iinkampani ezinkulu ngeendlela ezahlukeneyo ukuze ukwazi ukugcina okanye ukwandisa imisebenzi. Ungayijika njani loo nto? Ngokunyusa ii-SME okanye amashishini obugcisa ngakumbi?
KIRNER: Umzekelo, kwicandelo lamandla kakhulu, kuyimpazamo yokwenyani ukucinga ukuba, umzekelo, umbane wamandla ophakathi esinawo ngoku udala imisebenzi engaphezulu kwalowo usabelweyo.
Iya kuba lithuba elihle lemisebenzi elitsha lokukhuthaza amanye amandla. Kwaye ndiyakholelwa ukuba ngokwengxenye sikwangabathabathi bezigqibo kwezopolitiko ekucingeni ukuba babanjiwe, abangasenamsebenzi ngoku.
Kuba amandla enye into enokubakho iya kuba nako okuninzi, kwaye ukuba uzama ukuqhuba inkqubo yethu yamandla kwicala lokuluhlaza, nakwimicimbi yerhafu, ke imisebenzi iyakudala, ingatshabalalisi.
LANGBEIN: Ndiyakholelwa nokuba singacetyiswa ukuba sihambe ngamanqanaba ngamanqanaba. Kuba uxinzelelo lokukhula luyinto ehambelana nenkqubo yethu yezoqoqosho, nezopolitiko zisalele, kwaye eyona nto ibalulekileyo kukhula. Okona kubaluleke kakhulu, kungekuphela nje kodwa kodwa nokusebenzisa izixhobo, ezingasasebenziyo.
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba nathi kufuneka sihambe inyathelo ngenyathelo nangobulumko, kodwa ngaphandle kolu luhlu lokukhula. Kodwa i-capitalism ayinakuphila ngaphandle kokukhula, iyayidinga, ke ngoko sifuna ezinye iindlela zoqoqosho.
Iifom zokusebenzisana zinokucaciswa ngaphaya kwale nto. Ewe kunjalo, xa kukhuphiswano nenkqubo yezoqoqosho, bahlala benyanzeliswa ukuba benze ucalucalulo, kodwa zona izigqibo kunye neendlela zokwenza izigqibo zahlukile. Oku kunokubonwa kumashishini amakhulu eentsebenzo okanye kwimibutho yabasebenzi esasebenza kwaye ayingombhalo nje.
URaiffeisen yayilentsebenziswano kwiminyaka engamakhulu amabini eyadlulayo kwaye ngoku ngumbutho wehlabathi jikelele osebenzisa lelebheli kuphela. Ke, ayisiyiyo yonke into ebizwa ngokuba yintsebenziswano.
Kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba sicetyiswe kakuhle ukuba senze iimfuno kwezopolitiko, kananjalo, ukuba ukuqala kwamanyathelo kunye namanyathelo akhuthazwayo kuba benza olunye uqoqosho lubonakale.
UKUQALA: Amagama aphambili Raiffeisen. Inokwenzeka njani loo nto? Ewe sithetha ngexesha elahlukileyo, akukho mbuzo.
LANGBEIN: Ukuba ujonga emva kancinane, ungabona ukuba nentshukumo yentsebenzo yaseRaiffeisen yasekuqaleni ngabom ayifuni ukuthandabuza inkqubo yezoqoqosho, kodwa isebenzisa kuphela iindlela ezithile zokutshintshiselana kunye neentlobo zokubambisana ecaleni kwayo. Wayengasiyiyo inkqubo yokudlula kuye. Kwaye iintshukumo ezinjalo, ukuba azilumkanga, nje ukuba zifikelele kubungakanani obuthile, ziphantse zagwetywa ukutshata inkqubo kuba kungenjalo ayinakho ukuvela. Yiloo nto kanye eyenzekileyo. Kunye namashishini amakhulu ezindlu, athe avela ekuqwalaselweni okufanayo, adityaniswe ngokupheleleyo kwinkqubo. Kukho, ndiyakholelwa, namhlanje kukho ookopolotyeni bezindlu ezibini okanye ezintathu ezifanelwe ligama labo, abazama ngokwenene ukwenza amakhaya asezantsi, anamandla kunye nokungawenzi inzuzo. Kwaye intsebenzo yabathengi sele iguqukele kulusizi lwentando yesininzi. Ubuninzi babo bawaphula phantsi kuba bengasaphili kwaye bedemokhrasi.
Kodwa ukusilela kolu manyano lwentsebenziswano ukusuka phambi kwe-150, iminyaka ye-200 akufuneki ukuba kusihende sithi ayisebenzi. Kukho imizekelo yamanye amazwe ebonisa ukuba sele isebenza.
Kwakhona uMondragón kwiBasque Country, umzekelo, ngumbutho wokubambisana. Sasilapho, nathi, esingafumananga ndawo bhanyabhanya. Babhengeza umbono wentsebenzo ngaphakathi kwiinkampani, phakathi kweenkampani nakwingingqi kunye nezemali kunye namaziko emfundo kunye namaziko ophando abasebenza kuwo. Oku kubonisa ukuba oku kungahamba ngakumbi kwaye kukho iintshukumo esele zikwazi ukubuza ulungiso olupheleleyo kunye nolwandiso lwemali.
Iingcali zezoqoqosho, nazo, kufuneka ziphume kwizitulo zazo ezikhululekileyo zentengiso-ezoqoqosho, eziqinisekiswe ukuba azilunganga kwiimeko ezininzi, kwaye ziqala mpikiswano olunzulu lwentuthuko kuluntu lwasemva kokukhula.
Kwaye apho ufuna iimodeli kunye notshintsho, kukho izinto ezinje umvuzo osisiseko oqinisekisiweyo ngokuqinisekileyo indima. Inokuba ingakanani le nto iya kuba ingumxholo wengxoxo. Kodwa kufuneka kwakhona ngandlela thile sisombulule ubukho bokufumana ingqesho njengoko ngoku buqondayo, kuba kungenjalo yonke into iya kuqhekeka, kwaye ke oko kususwa kusisongelo. Kwaye kufuneka sivavanye umsebenzi onentsingiselo wentlalo kunye nowefunekayo ngaphezu komsebenzi wokufumana uluvo olwahlukileyo, oluya kuba lolungeleleneyo nolunengqiqo, kwaye ke sidale ukuqonda okungafaniyo kumanyano lwethu ekuhlaleni.
KIRNER: Isihloko sesi: Asinakuyeka inkqubela phambili kwezobuchwephesha, oko akunakwenzeka kwaphela. Awunyanzelekanga ukuba ube yi-apocalyptist ukuze sithi ukuba asiyenzi, omnye umntu uyayenza.
Ngamanye amagama, ukuba asiyenzi into entsha eYurophu, abanye bayakwenza, kwaye baya kuba nako ukuvelisa ngexabiso eliphantsi kuqoqosho lweemarike kangangokuba siya kunyanzelwa ngaphandle kwemarike.
Ngamanye amagama, kuya kufuneka sifumane indlela yokujongana nayo, kwaye ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, ngokoluvo lwam, sisilele nje. Kukho esi sityalo sincinci sityayo umvuzo osisiseko ongenamda, ebiphoselwe elugqatsweni, kodwa okunene ndiyazikhumbula iindlela ezizezinye. Asiyi kuba nesizukulwana ngakumbi ixesha lokufumana izisombululo.
UKUQALA: Kodwa ayibonakali ngathi iya kubhekiswa kwezopolitiko kulo naliphi na icala. Umatshini ophambili okanye umatshini wokuthengisa irhafu.
LANGBEIN: Okwangoku izinto zihlukile nje e-Austria. Kodwa ukuba unethemba, ungatsho ukuba sisiqendu esincinci. Kuba ukuba siyaqhubeka nokusebenza ngokungaboniyo kwaye sibuyele umva, ke uluntu lwethu lukhwela udonga. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba baninzi abantu abayibonayo loo nto.
UKUQALA: Sifuna inguqu kuzinzo, amandla ahlaziyekayo, kumzekelo wokubambisana, ekukhuleni kweposi. Kodwa sikwenza njani oko? Ngamanye amagama, ngaba lo msebenzi ungaphakathi kwinkqubo yongxowankulu ngokuxhaphaza umsebenzi wenkqubo wokomeleza uphuhliso lwayo? Yiloo nto iFairtrade eyenzayo. Okanye ngaba ifuna utshintsho olukhulu kwimithetho ngokuthi, "Sifuna ukuthambisa kwaye sitshintshe ubungxowankulu ngoku." Oko kuya kufuneka kwenzeke kwinqanaba eliphezulu, umzekelo kwinqanaba le-EU.
LANGBEIN: Kuya kufuneka, kunjalo, ndiyacinga. Inyathelo lokuqala kukukhumbula ukuba yeyiphi i-1945 20 kunye ne-30, iminyaka, ubungakanani bezopolitiko ekubekeni ubukapitali kwimingxunya efanelekileyo kunye nokudala iimeko ezinqumamisa ezona ziphumo zongxowankulu, njengobungxowankulu bezemali. Luhlobo losuku.
Ukucwangciswa komhla kuya kuba kukujonga ukuba yintoni uqoqosho olungenantsingiselo yokuhluma kunokubonakala ngathi. Kwaye kufuneka kubekho ezinye izinto ezongamileyo kunokonyusa nje imali njengomgaqo, kuba kungenjalo siza kuhlala sikwimeko yokuhluma kwaye asinakukwazi ukusinda iinkampani ezingakhuliyo. Ngamanye amagama, sifuna ezinye iintlobo zomsebenzi wezoqoqosho, ukuqala kuqala kwaye, ngethemba, kwixesha elizayo njengeyona ndlela iphambili yoqoqosho.
KIRNER: Ewe ndiyisayina ngale ndlela.
UKUQALA: Oko akuwuphenduli umbuzo wam. Kum, eyona nto iphambili yile: kuthatha ntoni ukutshintsha uqoqosho? Ngaba kwenzeka njani inguqu kuluntu lwasemva kokukhula?
KIRNER: Ndicinga ukuba kungenxa yoko le nto amaphulo afana neFairtrade ebaluleke, ingekuphela kuthi, kodwa amanye amanyathelo okusebenzisana ukuba asenza ukuba sibone ukuba izinto azifani. Oko singakholelwa ukuba kuya kufuneka kuqhubeke kwaye kuqhubeke. Kwaye sele ndixhomekeke kwisizukulwana esilandelayo. Kuhlala kusithiwa abantu abancinci banenye into esengqondweni. Kodwa ayisiyonyani leyo. Xa ndijonga ubungakanani bokubona phambili kunye nokucinga-phambili abantwana bam kunye nemeko abasebenza kuyo kunye nabanye abaninzi kwizikolo endizifundisayo ukuba baya kusebenza apha, ndinethemba lokuba oku kungenziwa ngokukhawuleza.
Sisoloko sicinga kwezi zinto zintathu zophuhliso. Akunjalo. I-Fairtrade ikwathathe iminyaka ye-15 ukuyenza iqalile, kwaye kule minyaka ilishumi idlulileyo kuye kwakho umfutho onyanisekileyo ongaphezulu.
Kwakufana neBio, kuthathe ixesha elide ukuba iqalise, emva koko yenyuka. Uphuhliso olunjalo lunokuhamba ngokukhawuleza. Imoto, umzekelo, ayisenasimo silinganayo kubantu abaselula namhlanje njengoko yayisenza kuthi ngelo xesha. Abantu abancinci bayatya ngokuqinisekileyo, kuba ngamnye wethu ufuna ukutya kunye nokwakhe, kodwa hayi ukuya kwinqanaba esinalo.
LANGBEIN: Sifumanisa kunzima ukufumana abaqeqeshi abanokuqhuba kuba loo nto ayinamsebenzi naba bantu. Kodwa bendifuna ukongeza enye into: kukwakhona namandla emizekelo kunye nemifanekiso.
Xa ndimamele kuwe, kwenzeka ukuba ndise-Uganda kwindawo yokuqala ye-Fairtrade Gold mine e-Afrika. Umbonile. Kwaye andizange ndazi ubungakanani bokuthi ngaphambili, kodwa kukho i-100 yezigidi zabantu abasebenza ngezandla zabo ukumba izibonelelo zethu emhlabeni. Ndinomfanekiso owahlukileyo ngokupheleleyo. 100 yezigidi zabantu. Kwaye kulapho ungabona khona utshintsho olukhulu olungakholelekiyo olwenzekayo apho ebantwini abasebenza ngoku kumgodi wegolide we-Fairtrade, kwintsebenziswano, ehleliwe.
Imigangatho yokhuseleko isahleli indala, kodwa akusekho kufa, kodwa kukho umsebenzi ofanelekileyo. Unokwenza ngaphandle kwe-mercury kwaye ufumane ipesenti ye-95 endaweni ye-30 yepesenti yexabiso lentengiso yehlabathi kwigolide yakho. La manyathelo ngesiquphe enza ukuba ubomi bube nakho. Ke kufuneka sisasaze imifanekiso enjalo kuba bonisa wonke umntu ofuna ukungatshabalalisi nantoni na ngemveliso ayithengayo, ukuba akukho mfuneko yokuba atshabalalise into nayo. Imifanekiso enjalo inamandla.
UKUQALA: Ewe kunjalo, kuninzi. Kodwa xa sithetha ngemifanekiso kunye namabali, ngokuqinisekileyo kuya kufuneka ujonge imbonakalo yethu yeendaba nayo. Kwaye kuba akujongi ngokungathi ezi ziqulatho zihanjiswa ngamandla.
KIRNER: Ukugxekwa kwimidiya okwangoku ku-vogue, yiyo loo nto ndifumana kunzima ukungena kolu phondo. Ndicinga ukuba kubalulekile nje ukuba abaphephandaba benze umsebenzi wabo. Nangona kunjalo, ndinengxaki yokuhlala ndikhangela ingqalelo kwaye ndikhangela into eyenza abantu ukuba bayifunde. Thatha umzekelo, imeko yezopolitiko e-Austria kuphela. Siphila kwilizwe elizinzileyo nelithe, kule minyaka ilishumi idlulileyo, babenomgaqo-nkqubo abenze umsebenzi oncomekayo, kufuneka uyithethe loo nto. Ewe kunjalo, kukho izinto ezingahambanga kakuhle, kodwa eyona nto iphambili kukuba siphume kakuhle kwezoqoqosho. Siphila kwilizwe apho kungekho mntu kufuneka alambe kukufa kwaye ngokusisiseko wonke umntu unokhathalelo lwempilo. Ke nyani sikwimeko elungileyo.
Kwaye okwangoku, isikrokro sisoloko sifunwa. Ewe kuya kufuneka uveze izinto ngokunjalo. Umzekelo, ukuba kukho ingxaki esibhedlele, kuya kufuneka uyikhankanye loo nto. Kodwa yingxaki ukuba uhlala ugxile kuyo.
LANGBEIN: Imeko yeendaba kwimithombo yeendaba ye-hysteria yempumelelo yexesha elifutshane ngokuqinisekileyo iyingxaki. Kwaye kuya kufuneka sonke sisebenzisane nayo kwaye sizame ukugcina oogxa bethu ukuba bangaqhubeki phambili kule mandla inamandla. Awukho umhlaba weendaba, kodwa kukho ezahlukeneyo kwihlabathi zeendaba. Kukho umhlaba weendaba ozinzileyo wokubuza kunye nokujonga kunye nemifanekiso yomzobo wexesha elizayo kunye nengxoxo evuselelayo, kwaye ekufuneka womelezwe. Ewe, ezopolitiko zinokukwenza oko ngenkxaso-mali yazo kunye nentengiso, eziyenzayo ngoku.
UKUQALA: Makhe sibuyele ekusebenziseni ubunzima. Ngokujonga kwam, umntu ufuna utshintsho kumanani.
LANGBEIN: Ngayiphi na imeko.
UKUQALA: Kungenxa yoko le nto ndiye ndeza kwintloko yemidiya. Ngokoluvo lwam, uninzi lweembono zethu zijolise ngokupheleleyo ekungalunganga. Kwabaninzi, abalungileyo kuluntu lwethu ngumntu osisityebi, umntu odumileyo, inkanyezi ye pop, umdlali weqonga.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa kutheni abantu ngoku bekhetha i-populist-yephiko lasekunene okanye indlela esekude-ekunene? Kuba bayoyika kwaye ngenxa yokuba baziva bengabancedi. Baqaphela ukuba babanjiwe. Uyabona ukuba lincinci kakhulu icandelo, kwaye kuluhlu lwewaka, elinokunyuka liye kwezi ndawo.
Uninzi luphakathi kwabaphulukene nolu phuhliso. Kwelinye icala, kukho intshukumo yabantu abahamba besiya kulwaneliseko, ulwaneliseko lobomi, bafuna ubomi obahlukileyo, uqoqosho olwahlukileyo.
Ndiyathemba ngokunyanisekileyo ukuba kolu khuphiswano, umntu ophulukene nompumelelo wobomi obutsha ekugqibeleni unokufumana amandla amaninzi kwimifanekiso elungileyo yomnye, ubomi obungcono. Okwangoku akunjalo, ndiyavuma nawe.
KIRNER:
Ndiyathetha, ukuba igama elithi-ukulunga libe ligama elimdaka, litshintshe ngokupheleleyo. Ndiyakhumbula, ndikhule ngexesha apho ezi ngcali zazingamagorha, uGandhi kunye njengoko babebizwa njalo. Aba yayingabantu ofuna ukubalingisa. Kodwa emva kweminyaka yamashumi asithoba ababhanki beWall Street baba yimodeli jikelele.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa oko kuqalisa ukwaphula.
KIRNER: Ewe akunikezelwanga nguThixo.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa yingqumbo nje engenamdla ngoku. Lo msindo ungabhekiswa ngqo, kwaye oko kuyenzeka ngoku kwicala le-wul popingism elungileyo.
UKUQALA: Kodwa kwicala elingalunganga.
LANGBEIN: Ewe, kwicala elingalunganga. Kodwa ayikunikwa nguThixo ukuba ihlale injalo.
KIRNER: Ndinethemba elingakumbi malunga noko ngoku. Umzekelo, xa ndijonga e-United States, abantu baye bavele banomsindo onjalo kuba baziva kungekho mntu ubakhathaleleyo. Emva koko ukhetha umntu nje ozicingela ukuba uza kuyithetha aze ayitshintshe into. Ukuba ujonga la mazwe abizwa ngokuba zi-fly-over, kungakanani usizi olukhona apho kumashumi ambalwa eminyaka edluleyo, imisebenzi ilahlekile, oko kukuthi, abantu baya kuthi ekugqibeleni bajonge indibano enkulu, kwaye sele ikhethiwe.
Umbuzo ngulo, kwaye iya kuba kwakhona yi-crux yaseYurophu ngokubanzi: siyakwazi ukuthetha kwakhona ngaba bantu?
Nditsho nokuba kwizikolo eziphezulu, ukuba umntu makanike umbono wokuba le yinkqubo yodidi oluphezulu kuphela olufundileyo. Yintloko yesihloko ekufuneka ishukumise wonke umntu. Ukuba ndithenge imveliso apha, njengebhanana, umzekelo, andifuni umqeshwa kwelinye icala lehlabathi aphila kwiimeko ezimbi. Kuba andifuni loo nto.
Umntu osebenza kumzi-mveliso naye ufuna ukuhlonitshwa kwaye afumane umvuzo ofanelekileyo. Kwaye ngaloo unako ukufikelela kubantu sele. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba iFairtrade yenza kakuhle. Kwaye nabanye banokuyenza loo nto, kubandakanya nengingqi. Oku kusebenzisana kwezoqoqosho kunokuba yinto enokusetyenziswa ukubhenela ebantwini.
UKUQALA: Ndivumelana ngokupheleleyo nawe. Ngelishwa, sendikwimeko ebaluleke kakhulu ngexesha lonke lengxoxo.
KIRNER: Nguwo lowo umsebenzi wakho.
UKUQALA: Ngokusisiseko, ndikwangumbono onethemba. Kodwa ngaba ayisadingi mithetho efanelekileyo, ehlaziyiweyo, umzekelo ngokubhekisele kwindalo, ngokubhekisele kuthutho lweemveliso ezivela, umzekelo, China ukuya eYurophu? Umzekelo, irhafu ye-eco kuzo zonke iimveliso ezihamba ngaphezu kweekhilomitha ze-300.
LANGBEIN: Iirhafu zilawulwa kwaye nerhafu kufuneka ilawulwe. Ilawulwa ngokugqibeleleyo ngokugqibeleleyo okwangoku. Ukugqithiswa kwemivuzo yabasebenzi kuyakhawulezisa inkqubo yokuba umsebenzi omncinci kunye nokuncinci uyakufuneka. Into yokuba izithuthi zikwimo enye ixhaswe esidlangalaleni iqhuba isishukumisela ukuba sibe neemveliso eziphantse ziveliswe kwelinye icala lehlabathi kuba ziveliswa kancinci.
Kodwa ukuba ujonga iziphumo zommandla wokunganyaniseki kunye nendlela, ityala alilungile. Sifuna ezinye iindleko. Kufuneka sibuze imigaqo-nkqubo efanelekileyo kuba siyifuna ngokukhawuleza.
KIRNER: Sivela kwixesha apho iimveliso kufuneka zibengabizi kakhulu, ukuze abantu bakwazi ukuzihlawulela kwaye babe nempumelelo. Kodwa ngoku sisemgubasini wokwenyani, apho oku kungasebenzi khona.
Ukuba iimveliso zifika ngexabiso eliphantsi, asiyi kukwazi ukudala ubutyebi ngakumbi kwinani elikhulu labantu. Singayenza loo nto ukuba sisebenzisa ngokufanelekileyo kwaye ukuba siya kuphuhlisa kwakhona imisebenzi apha e-Europe nase-USA nase China.
LANGBEIN: Ukusetyenziswa okuzinzileyo ayisiyi-buzzword, kodwa yimfuneko yeyure.
KIRNER: Ewe. Le yinto enokuthi ibe y injini yokwenyani yokuhlakulela umsebenzi. Kwaye olu tshintsho ekucingeni ukuba, umzekelo, amandla erhafu kunye nokunciphisa umsebenzi.
Ukuba sizijonga sedwa, ukuba sihlawula irhafu ye-50 yepesenti, umqeshi kwakhona ipesenti ye-30, lowo ngumthwalo omkhulu werhafu, ekuyinto yokwenyani kumqeshwa. Amandla, kwelinye icala, ahlawuliswa irhafu. nayo I-automation, umatshini osebenza koomatshini.
Anditsho ukuba kukho isisombululo esilula. Kodwa ukuba asiyenzi loo nto kungekudala, lo mzuzu uya kuqina kwaye ekugqibeleni akuyi kubakho zirhafu zaneleyo zabasebenzi. Emva koko sifuna esinye isisombululo.
LANGBEIN: Kwaye ukubuyela kuthakazelelo lwam lomzuzwana, imizekelo kwiifilimu zibonisa ukuba xa abantu bethatha ikamva elibaqhubayo kunye neendlela zobomi abahamba kuzo, kukho amathuba okudala ukuya kuthi ga, njengoko sihlala singacingi ukuba kunokwenzeka.
I-1,5 inokubonelela ngezigidi zabantu ngokutya okutsha kwendalo. Umntu unokujongela phantsi indibaniselwano yehlabathi efana ne-Unilever kwaye athi: Hayi, asiyi kuvumela umzi-mveliso wethu ukuba ufudukele eMpuma, kodwa siyakuhlala kuwo iminyaka emithathu, de kufike indibano.
Ukuba le nto yenzekile emnyango, ngamnye wethu angathi ayisebenzi. Kwaye khangela, ihambile. Ibonakalisa nje ukuba sonke kufuneka sithathe imicimbi ngezandla zethu. Siphila kwidemokrasi, kwaye kwipolitiki yedemokhrasi inokuphembelelwa ngabantu. Makhe siqale ngaloo nto.
UKUQALA: Kodwa ngaba ayingomngeni ukuba ezi zenzo kunye namanyathelo zisebenza xa uchaphazeleka ngqo?
LANGBEIN: Ewe, kodwa sonke sichaphazelekile.
UKUQALA: Ewe, kodwa oko kukude kuthi. Ukuba ndingumlimi wase-Austrian, ndinomdla wokuthatha inyathelo kuqala kunokuba ndingumthengi othengayo ngoku izinto ezenziwe ngezinto eziphilayo.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa nje iintshukumo ezinje ngentshukumo ye-organic kunye ne-Fairtrade zibonisa ukuba kunokwenzeka, umzuzu apho kucace gca ukuba ndiyintoni na amandla am kwizigqibo zam zokuthenga. Kwaye yile nto imalunga nayo, kuya kufuneka wenze olo nxibelelwano. Kuluntu olusekwe kukwahlulwahlulwahlulwa kwabasebenzi, umntu akasakwazi ukuvelisa imifanekiso ngokuthe ngqo, eyiyo indlela ekhethiweyo. Kuyavakala, kunjalo, ukuba umthengi uyazi umfama owenza imifuno yakhe, kodwa loo nto ayizukuhlala isebenza. Kwaye ukuba uyazi wonke umgodi wase Katanga, obonelela nge cobalt zeebhetri kwiiselfowuni zethu, azizukusebenza nakanye. Kodwa inokuphakathi ngokunika imibutho efana neFairtrade kunye nokunye okunjalo, abathatha indawo yokubekwa kunye nomsebenzi wolwazi.
UKUQALA: Umzekelo omkhulu nguHansalim waseNingizimu Korea. Ngaba yinto engekhoyo eYurophu?
KIRNER: Mhlawumbi ayifikanga kwinqanaba elilingana neHansalim, kodwa abathengisi baseSwitzerland basasebenza ngokubambisana. Ke loo nto ilungile kakhulu, nangona ingeyiyo le unxibelelwano ngokuthe ngqo ukuya kuthi ga eSouth Korea ikhona. Kuyenzeka, naseSwitzerland, kodwa hayi ngokokude ndikuxelele, njengaseMzantsi Korea.
LANGBEIN: Ndiyakholelwa ngokuqinisekileyo ukuba le ngongoma ibaluleke kakhulu.
UKUQALA: Ngaba oku kungumda wentengiso?
LANGBEIN: Ewe.
Kwaye ndinethemba. Ubuncinci eJamani, iingxoxo sele zenzekile phakathi kwezi ndlela zokutya kunye namanyathelo asekwe ngokuzinzileyo kwezolimo, yonke indlela eya ekuhambeni kancinci kokutya, abathi bonke babelane ngale nkxalabo ngandlela thile, kuphela bebodwa, kubangela umbutho omkhulu odibeneyo.
Kuba emva koko, ewe, amandla ale ntshukumo ahluke ngokupheleleyo, ngokungathi ngamnye asebenzela eyedwa. Ke, umntu ngamnye uhambe kancinci kakhulu, kwaye ukubambisana kufanele kube lapho. Ndiyathemba ukuba ikhona le ntshukumo.
UKUQALA: I-Hansalim ayithengisi konke konke kodwa iyathengisa? Ngaba unayo iivenkile?
LANGBEIN:
I-Hansalim yintsebenziswano phakathi kwama-10.000 amafama amancinci angamalungu e-Cooper, kunye ne-1,5 yezigidi zabathengi abangamalungu alo mbutho wokubambisana, kunye ne-log encinci ye-lean, phakathi kwayo, eyilawulayo, ngepesenti ye-30 kuphela yomzamo kubandakanya ukuphucula ukutya Imveliso yetofu njalo njalo, ukuvelisa iimveliso zezolimo ze2000 kunye nokubonelela abahlali besixeko ngokukhethekileyo bengingqi, ukutya okutsha okutsha, kwaye kuphantse kwenziwa izinto eziphilayo.
Kwaye kwelinye icala, amafama amancinci anombono wezoqoqosho, kuba endaweni ye-20 25 ukuya kwi-70 yepesenti yexabiso labathengi, ngequbuliso bafumana ipesenti ye-XNUMX. Ngayo, umlimi omncinci unokuphila, naye, kwaye umsebenzi wokulima ungaba ngumsebenzi oqhelekileyo apho umntu anokufumana ixesha lesimahla. Eso sisitshixo esibalulekileyo sokusinda ekwakhiweni kwezindlu zabahlali, ukuba abantu abahluphekileyo babe ngumsebenzi, njengoko abanye besenza, ngokubhekisele kumathuba okuphila. Kwelinye icala, awunakuya kwivenkile ethengisa ukutya ezixekweni, njengoko ngelishwa kunjalo, kwaye uthenge iziqhamo ezi-organic ezivela eChile eDenn's.
UKUQALA: Ngaba ijongeka njani kwicala lomthengi? Ngaba ngamalungu?
LANGBEIN: Ewe. Ngamalungu kuphela anokufumana iimpahla zawo apho.
UKUQALA: Kodwa azikho iivenkile ezinkulu?
LANGBEIN: Ezi iivenkile ze-220, kunye ezimbalwa ezizayo ngonyaka ngamnye. Rhoqo ngonyaka i-60.000 amalungu amatsha ajoyina, kuba loo nto inomdla kakhulu. Ukuba ulilungu apho, ungabhekisa kumaxabiso anikiweyo apho, iimveliso, kungenjalo. Kwaye amaxabiso ayaxoxwa kwaye amiselwe unyaka nonyaka phakathi kwabathengi kunye nabavelisi, ke ngoko amafama ayazi ukuba afumana amaxabiso awo amiselweyo kwi-mandarin yazo okanye iigranti zazo okanye iimbotyi zesoya unyaka wonke, ngaphandle kokutshintsha kweentengiso zehlabathi okanye okunye ukuhla kwexabiso.
UKUQALA: Apha sibuyele kwinkcazo yexabiso. Emva kwayo yonke loo nto, uninzi lwabantu luqala ishishini ukuze lifumane umvuzo, linganeli nje ukuba liphile.
LANGBEIN: Ndingayikhanyela lonto ecaleni. Ukusebenzisana kukaHansalim kwasekwa ngaphambi kweminyaka ye-30 eyadlulayo njengelinge elincinci kakhulu njengayo nayiphi na intsebenziswano esinokuba nayo namhlanje kwaye sikhule phakathi kweminyaka ye-30 kuba sinika amafama umvuzo olungileyo, ozinzileyo. Oku kwahlukile kubuhlungu babalimi bethu, ngaphandle kwabalimi abakhulu. Inika abathengi ezixekweni bengingqi, imveliso entsha. Le yimodeli yeshishini ehamba ngokungaphezulu kokunyuka kwemali. Kodwa ndicinga njalo, kwaye sixoxe ngokwaneleyo ukuba abantu abaninzi ngakumbi bafuna ezinye iindlela zoqoqosho kunye nokuziqonda ngokwabo, okungaphaya kokwenza imali okanye ukunyusa imali njengesiphelo.
KIRNER: Ewe kunjalo, oku kunokuba yinto ekhethiweyo kubahwebi abakhoyo ukuba bangahamba ngale ndlela. Ngenxa yokuba urhwebo lwe-Intanethi luyinto, ndiyakholelwa, le mveliso iyothusa kakhulu, kuba eli inyathelo elilandelayo lokungaziwa. Kwaye iimveliso zengingqi, okanye iimveliso apho uyazi ukuba zivela phi, kwaye apho unemeko yokusebenza emva kwazo ephantsi kolawulo, yinto abanokuyihlukanisa kakuhle abathengisi bengingqi. Kwizixhobo ezisebenzisanayo, umbuzo ngowokuba ingaba oku kusaza kukhawuleza na ngobukhulu namhlanje e-Austria. Inqaku yile: yile yokuba sibambisane kakhulu. Ewe, xa kuvela ookopolotyeni kusoloko kukho ixesha elininzi emva kwabo. Ndihlala ndikhumbula umzekelo weNicaragua. Apho uqhuba usuka kwidolophu elandelayo iiyure ezimbini ngeJeep. Kodwa abantu balapha abanayo iJeep, okuthetha ukuba bahamba umgama omde ukuya kuthengisa iimpahla zabo.
Ukuba intsebenziswano iqokelela ilori kwaye iqokelela iimpahla kubalimi, linyathelo elikhulu eliya phambili kubo. Umlimi eNicaragua akafumani tyala. Oko kukuthi, banokunikezela ngekhredithi nganye nganye. Le yindlela inkqubo yokubambisana yaqala ukubakhona eYurophu.
LANGBEIN: Ewe. Kwaye uninzi lweeprojekthi zeFairtrade zilungelelaniswe ngokusebenzisana.
KIRNER: Sizama ukwenza oku ngokusebenzisana neetyathanga ezikhoyo zentengiso. Kwaye sizama ukwenza inkqubela kulwakhiwo esele lukhona. Oku kuthetha ukuba ulwakhiwo lwentsebenziswano luyaphuhliswa phakathi kwamafama, abanokuthi emva koko bahambise ngokuthe ngqo kubathengisi baseYurophu. Ngamanye amaxesha ufuna abaphakathi kuba, umzekelo, baphatha ukususwa kwesiko. Kodwa eyona nto iphambili kukuba amaxabiso amatyathanga kufuneka acace ngakumbi kwaye amafutshane, kwaye intlawulo yokuhamba komntu ofumana oko kufanele ukuba kubonakale ngakumbi. Kwaye yile nto siyibonayo njengophuhliso olukhulu kakhulu kumxokelelwane wobonelelo. Le teknoloji ye-blockchain nayo inokudlala indima ekuhambeni kokuhambisa kunokulandelwa ngokulula. Ke, kukho izinto eziqhubekayo ezinokuthi zitshintshe kakhulu kule minyaka ilishumi okanye ingama-20 izayo. Ke oko kuthetha ukuba ndinethemba elipheleleyo lokuba lingaphumelela.
UKUQALA: Okokugqibela, yeyiphi eyona nto iza kuqala kuqala? Yintoni emele yenziwe? Yeyiphi eyona nto ibaluleke kakhulu, esona sithandwa sikhulu? Sele sithethile ukuba umthengi uya kutya ngokufanelekileyo, kucacile. Ngaba ifuna uxinzelelo kwezopolitiko?
LANGBEIN: Ngoku sisondela kwimibuzo yokuqala, kodwa sele iphenduliwe. Bendizophinda ndibuye ngoku.
UKUQALA: Ndidinga igama lokugqibela.
LANGBEIN: Kufuneka zombini. Kwaye akukho lever, kodwa kukho ezininzi levers. Oku kukwenzeka kwakhona ngokuqonda emsebenzini wam kwifilimu ukuba kukho iindlela ezahlukeneyo ezahlukileyo kunye neziqwengana ezahlukeneyo kwaye oko kukuthi konke ngathi kuba siqondile ukuba umhlaba awuzukusebenza ukuba siqhubeka sinje. Amashishini, njengakwixa elidlulileyo, athabatha enye yezi ndawo, ingaba kukuhamba ngokubambisana okanye aqiniseke ukuba sitya ngokwengingqi nangokutsha endaweni yokulandela iindlela ezonakalisayo zokutya kunye namashishini ezolimo. Kuya kufuneka sithathe imicimbi ezandleni zethu sinesibindi sokuhlala singakwazi ukufikelela kwanto, kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo asihambanga nale polisi. Ndinqwenela lo mgaqo-nkqubo ubomi obufutshane kakhulu. Kwelinye icala, sikwafuna ukuxhasa amaphulo afana neFairtrade okanye efanayo, efuna ukudala ukubonakala okucacileyo kuthengiso oluntsonkothileyo lweemarike zehlabathi kunye nokuqinisekisa iimeko ezifanelekileyo ngexesha lokudibanisa. Inqaku leli kukuba lisenze sazi ukuba sinekamva lethu ezandleni zethu kwaye ukuba singazitshintsha kuphela xa sithatha into esinayo ezandleni zethu.
KIRNER: Into efunekayo ngoku kukuqonda ukuba umhlaba uzuze ngcono kule minyaka ilishumi idlulileyo. Ayisiyo indawo enomdla. Iba ngcono kwaye ilunge ngakumbi kubantu abaninzi, ukuchuma kuyakhula, siphila ixesha elide, siphila impilo ngakumbi kunangaphambili. Kwaye singayenza le nto siyithethileyo apha, ukuba siyifuna ngokwenyani inkqubo entsha ukuba sifuna ukusinda kumaza obugcisa obuzayo kuthi ngoku. Sifuna iindlela ezintsha zokuqhubela phambili.
Ngeendlela zokupheka zenkulungwane edlulileyo azizo iingxaki ze-21. Inkulungwane isonjululwe. Ngokwenyani kufuneka sijongise ikhonkrithi kakhulu kwindlela esisingatha ngayo imicimbi kunye nendlela esinokubenza ngayo ubomi bube bobokuphila kubantwana nabazukulwana bethu. Kwaye kukho imfuneko yeendlela ezintsha kunye noxanduva lwabantu lokutya ukuze bangasebenzisi umhlaba ngaphezulu, okanye bazithwalise umthwalo ngezinto ezingenamntu, kodwa batye ngokuqiqayo, batye ukutya okunempilo. Kwaye oko kusombulula iingxaki ezininzi.
Enkosi ngokufunda!
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