Fairtrade: nthawi ya utopias

Wotsogolera Kurt Langbein (Chithunzi chili kumanzere) chili ndi zoyamikirika komanso zabwino kwambiri posachedwapa Zolemba "Nthawi ya Utopias" adabweretsa ku sinema. Wosintha Mkonzi Helmut Melzer atenga mwayi ndi iye ndipo zamalondaKuwongolera Director Hartwig Kirner (r.) Kuyambitsa makonzedwe atsatanetsatane, omwe timabweretsa pano kutalika kwenikweni.

ZOCHITA: Dzulo ndinawonera kanemayo ndipo ndimakondwera kwambiri. Makamaka chifukwa zimapita mbali imodzi, momwe zimasonyezeranso kusankha.

KURT LANGBEIN: Ndiye tili pafupifupi abale mu mzimu.

ZOCHITA: Ndife abale mu mzimu, ndikuganiza, onse pano. Zachidziwikire kuti tidzakambirana za filimuyi pokambirana, koma ndikufuna kukambirana zochulukira. Kukambirana za funso lomwe limapezeka kangapo mu filimuyo, yomwe nthawi zambiri imakhala mutu wathu, zomwe ndizomwe zimakonda kwambiri. Kodi njira yabwino kwambiri yokwaniritsira kusintha kosaneneka ku gulu lomwe likuganiza mosiyana? Izi ndi zina zambiri zing'onozing'ono zomwe zimagwiridwa limodzi, Fairtrade ndikuyenda kwakukulu. Ndipo kanema wonena za Fairtrade ndiwokongoletsa kwambiri. Koma: kodi dongosolo lomwe lilipoli lidasinthika kudzera pakamagwiritsidwe? Anthu ambiri amangoganizira mtengo wa chinthu.

LANGBEIN: Yankho langa ndi inde. Ndikukhulupirira kuti mayendedwe a ogula, ngakhale odzilemba odalirika komanso olembedwa bwino monga Fairtrade, mosiyana ndi ma Schmählabels omwe amatsogozedwa ndi bizinesi, omwe akungotsatsa kukhathamiritsa, ndi gawo lofunikira kwambiri pantchito yodziwitsa komanso kulimbikitsa, komanso kudziwika pangani kuti pakufunika thandizo kumeneko. Fairphone imachitanso chimodzimodzi, pamalingaliro am'misika kuyesa kupanga zinthu zabwino, komanso amadziwanso kuti izi ndizochepa. Mutha kuziwona izi, nazonso, ndipo sizibisa izi. Koma ndikhulupilira kuti cholinga ndikupita patsogolo pang'ono, mwakutero, chapita kutali, ndiye kuti, kuphwanya kwa Iron Curtain, komwe kumatcha kuti chuma chamsika, Iron Curtain pakati pa opanga ndi ogula. Ndipo ndikhulupilira ndikuyembekeza kuti mayendedwe monga Fairphone adzaperekanso mwayi kwa mabungwe ogula omwe ali ndi chidwi chofuna kusinthana mwachindunji komanso chidziwitso mwachindunji kwa ogula. Ndipo kuti machitidwewo ndi otheka, ndikutanthauza, akuwonetsa chitsanzo cha Hansalim mu filimuyi. Monga kusinthanaku kumachitika monga timachitidwira ulimi yaying'ono yolimba. Ndipo ndidadziuza mumtima mwanga: "Zabwino kwambiri, ndizabwino, koma sizomwezo zazikulu." Ndipo mutha kuwona kuti zimagwira.

1,5 ikhoza kupatsa anthu mamiliyoni ambiri mwachindunji kuchokera kwa alimi chakudya cha chilengedwe, chatsopano. Kusinthanaku kumachitika mwachindunji ndipo msika unazimitsidwa, womwe ukukhala ndi zotsatira zabwino zomwe alimiwo amatenga zochulukira kuposa zomwe angapeze mu malonda a Fairtrade, omwe ndi 70 peresenti ya zomwe ogula amalipira , Ndiye ili ndi gawo lotsatira.

Kwa ine mitundu iwiriyi yolumikizirana yogwira ntchito ndi mphamvu zowononga za dongosolo lazachuma ili m'njira yabwino sizotsutsana, koma kwenikweni ndi wina ndi mnzake. Koma pali magawo awiri mu chitukuko chomwe ndikukhulupirira kuti ziyenera kuchitika, kuti ana athu ndi zidzukulu zathu, kuti akhalebe opezeka pano, alibe, kapena mwayi, kuti azikhala moyo wapadziko lapansi.

HARTWIG KIRNER: Kwa ine iyi ndi njira yosinthira dziko lapansi kudzera mukuzindikira. Kugwiritsa ntchito kwambiri sikungathandize padzikoli. Zachidziwikire, ngati ndigula nsapato zambiri, magalimoto ambiri, mafoni ambiri, dziko silingakhale bwino. Zingakhale bwino pogula kwambiri. Ndadzisankhira ndekha chitsanzo. Nthawi zonse ndagula nsapato zotsika mtengo tsopano, ndipo tsopano kuti awiriawiri azikhala atavala kakhumi chifukwa anali otsika mtengo, ndimaganiza, "Mukuchita chiyani? Mumataya nsapato zitatu pano mchaka, ngakhale mutha kutero, mukagula awiri anzeru, omwe amatha kuvala kwa zaka zisanu ndi ziwiri, zisanu ndi zitatu. "Zitha kutengera ndalama zambiri poyambira, koma kumapeto kwa tsiku ndapeza chinthu, zomwe ndimakondwera nazo koposa.

Mwanjira ina, vuto lomwe timakhala nalo nthawi zambiri ndikuti timaganiza molakwika kuti kupititsa patsogolo ntchito ndikusiyiratu, ndiye kuti ndikunyoza moyo wathu.

Vuto lomwelo linali ndi kayendedwe koyambirira koyambirira koyambirira, kuti timaganiza kuti izi ndi zinthu zopanda pake. Koma zomwe zapita kale, zinthu zachilengedwe tsopano ndi chimodzi mwazinthu zabwino. Ndipo kumverera kuti ndikuyenera kudya ndikudya chinthu chomwe sichikuvulaza chilengedwe, kumandipatsa chisangalalo kwambiri, ngati kuti ndikudya chinthu chilichonse. Zomwezi zimagwiranso ntchito kulikonse. Tiyenera kusiya kuwonetsa mutuwu wokhazikika ndi chala chokwezeka ndikulumikiza ndi kukonzanso uku komanso a ascetic aura.

LANGBEIN: Ndipo ndizomwe tonsefe tili, koma ndikukhulupirira kuti tonse tikuvomereza kuti tikufunika kuchepetsa kwakukulu pa kuchuluka kwa zinthu zomwe zawonongedwa. Koma sikuti ndikunyoza, koma izi zitha kukhala phindu. Mu mgwirizano wa Kalkbreite, womwe umatha kuwonekeranso mufilimuyi, anthu amathera pafupifupi kotala la nyonga zawo ndikukhala ndi moyo ngati ena, samakhala ndi magalimoto ndipo amakhala ndi gawo lochepera pamtunda wa mita. Izi ndi zinthu zonse zomwe mumaganiza kuti ndizoletsa. Koma amakhala moyo wodabwitsa, uwu ndi moyo wosangalatsa, wosangalatsa, wodziyimira wokha, chifukwa amasankha zonse palimodzi, chifukwa ndi mgwirizano womwe umayenera kukhala ndi dzina, osati kungodzilemba.

Zitsanzozi zikuwonetsa kuti kuchepetsa kugulitsa kugula sikuwonongeratu moyo wabwino. Osatengera izi, monga wakale, Mr. Fromm wanzeru adati: Maonekedwe akukhalapo sikuti amakhalanso bwino, komanso okongola kuposa momwe mungakhalire.

KIRNER: Ndiwo mawu abwino kwambiri. Nditha kusaina.

ZOCHITA: Koma kodi muli ndi lingaliro loti anthu ambiri m'gulu lathu akumvetsa ndi kumvetsetsa izi? Tikukhala m'gulu lomwe limagula kuchuluka kwa zinthu zonse za Fairtrade?

KIRNER: Ino ndi peresenti yabwino, yoposa theka.

LANGBEIN: Koma osati kuchuluka kwathunthu.

KIRNER: Nein.

ZOCHITA: Ndendende, ndiye mfundo yake.

LANGBEIN: Oposa theka la anthu nthawi zina amasankha organic organic.

ZOCHITA: Chiwerengero chodabwitsa kwambiri cha anthu chimagula zinthu zachilengedwe, koma osati zokha, koma nthawi ndi nthawi. Ndipo ndiye mfundo yake. Ndikufanizira izi ndi zomwe zikuchitika lero, kuti m'choonadi chokha cha Likes ndi otchedwa Clicktivism chimagwira. Izi zikutanthauza kuti mukumva kuti ndinu achangu komanso odzipereka posainira pempho pa intaneti, zomwe zimachitika mkati mwa masekondi a 15. Ndizabwino komanso zofunikira, koma sikuti zenizeni zenizeni. Ndiye funso langa ndikuti: bwanji za zina zomwe sizibwera, zomwe mwina zingapangitse kuchuluka kwa 70 pagulu lathu?

LANGBEIN: Ndicho chinthu chimodzi, mosakayikira. Ndipo ndimadabwitsabe ndikawona gulu la ophunzira m'chigawo chachisanu ndi chinayi, onse omwe amagula chakudya chapafupi, ngakhale madzulo. Ndikuganiza ndekha: Ndili pachilumba. Izi ndizovuta.

Ndipo ngati mukuyang'ana, mwachitsanzo, momwe anthu amadya chakudya pakadali pano, sitidali kutali ndi chitukuko chokwanira, chifukwa chitukuko chokwanira chimangotchedwa chachigawo, chatsopano komanso chachilengedwe chokha.

Pali malingaliro ofunikanso kwambiri kuti ulimi wapaulimi ukhobe kukhalapo, ndikuti timapitiliza kudya moyenera komanso popanda kuwonongedwa kwa Dziko Lachitatu, pofika pano tikugulitsa zoposa theka kuchokera ku mayiko omwe anthu ali ochepa kwambiri Khalani ndi chakudya. Koma mbali inayo, ndikukhulupirira, ziyenera kuwoneka kale. Palibe umboni uliwonse pamenepo, koma anthu ochulukirapo akuti: "Ayi, ndimakonda kupita ndekha. Ndikukhazikitsa kapena ndikugwira ntchito popanga chakudya, ndikugwira ntchito pabizinesi yozungulira, kulumikizana ndi mayendedwe a commons kapena chuma chodziwika bwino. "Anthu ambiri akutenganso zochita, koma zonse sizikuwoneka zokwanira. Ndikutanthauza kuti, pempho ndi chizindikiro chabwino, koma limazungulira ndipo lilibe zinthu. Koma zomwe anthuwa akusowa ndi nthano wamba ndi zithunzi zamtsogolo, momwe timafunira limodzi. Ndipo ndikumvetsa, mwachitsanzo, kanemayo monga chopereka chaching'ono pofotokoza nkhani ngati izi ndipo ndimamvekanso mayendedwe ngati a Fairtrade ngati chopereka munkhaniyi. Kungoti timafunikira nkhani yonseyo, timafunikira masomphenya amtsogolo omwe amatiphatikiza pamodzi: titha kupita kumeneko. Uwu ndiye gulu lakale-pambuyo ndipo siliri amantha ndi phulusa, koma uwu ndi moyo wokongola womwe ukunena za izi, moyo wabwino komanso wopulumutsa moyo. Ndipo tonse tonse timafuna kupita. Ndipo nkhani yomwe adagawana ndi iyi yomwe ndikusowapo. Ndipo ine ndikuganiza iwo ayenera kumanga icho ndi kumachinena icho.

KIRNER: Ndi chiwopsezo choti, "Enanso samvetsetsa." Izi sizowona. Ngati tikuwona zinthu zam'madera, mwachitsanzo, ndi nkhawa yayikulu kwa aku Austral kuti tigwiritse ntchito zinthu zachilengedwe. Sipadzakhala wina wochokera m'makalasi ophunzirira ochepa ku Austria yemwe sanena kuti: "Ndikuwona kuti ndikwabwino kuti timadya zinthu zomwe zimakula m'chigawo changa."

ZOCHITA: Koma zoona zake ndikuti, akapita ku malo ogulitsira, amagula zipatso kuchokera kumayiko akutali, ngakhale pali malonda ena amderali.

KIRNER: Ichinso ndi mbali imodzi. Kumbali ina, masitolo ogulitsa ambiri akutembenukira kukhala ndi ngodya zawo za chakudya chamderalo, ngakhale kumidzi.

Ndipo izi sizongochitika mwangozi, koma chifukwa cha kukakamizidwa kwa ogula omwe akufuna ndipo akuzifuna. Ndipo izi zimangokulira ndipo zimafunika kulimba kwambiri mwachangu.

Chifukwa chosaleza mtima chomwe ndimva kuchokera pamafunso anu, ndimagawana nawo kwathunthu chifukwa tiribe nthawi yotsalira. Chaka chilichonse timagwiritsa ntchito zachilengedwe kawiri pachaka, koma timakhala ndi dziko limodzi lokha. Ndiye nthawi yeniyeni yoti musinthe.

ZOCHITA: Pomwe, monga mudanena nokha, kusinthaku kukuchitika. Ndikuganiza kuti tonse timamva izi. Kaya ndizokwanira komanso ngati tili ndi zaka za 25 kapena ngati tikufunabe kuyang'ana izi mwapang'onopang'ono, ndilo funso. Kwa ine, chinsinsi ndi chakuti ngati chimenecho ndichochotseketsa chachikulu. Mwachitsanzo, ngati ndiyang'ana njira yathu ya nyengo, yomwe pankhani yokhazikika imatengera njira ziwiri kuchokera pomwe ma NGO ambiri ...

KIRNER: Koma sindingathetse anthu omwe ali ndiudindo ndikuwapatsa iwo omwe amasankha zandale ku Vienna kapena Brussels. Inenso ndili ndi udindo wanga. Basi lero, nditapita, ndinawerenga nkhani yosangalatsa yokhudza pulasitiki kutaya zinyalala. Sili vuto la wandale, koma anthu omwe ali aulesi kwambiri kuti achotse pulasitiki pamtengo. Chikwama cha pulasitiki chomwe ndimaponyera pamalopo, chawonso, chimagawidwa m'minda. Tili ndi udindo chifukwa chake.

Pakadali pano ndizowoneka bwino kutsutsa kayendetsedwe kazokhalitsa ndikuti makasitomala sawongolera chilichonse. Ndizowona, koma ali ndiudindo wambiri.

LANGBEIN: Koma ndikufuna kupewa kuthamangitsa ndalamayo pantchitoyo ndikuwuzani kuti machimo akulu akulu azachilengedwe azaka zaposachedwa chifukwa chosowa malamulo. Ndipo ngati tsopano tili ndi maboma omwe amawona m'malamulo awa ngati chithunzi cha mdani ndikuti sichofunikira, ndiye kuti chisamaliro ndichoyenera. Ndikukhulupirira kuti tiyenera kufunsa kuti ndale zimamasulira zomwe zapezedwa mu malamulo azachilengedwe kukhala malamulo, ndipotu European Union yonse ikufunika, osati ku Austria kokha. Kodi nchiyani chomwe chimalepheretsa ndale kuti ziletse mopulupudza apulasitiki opanda pakewa pazambiri izi mwa malamulo? Zotsutsana ndizowona, zikuchulukirachulukira, zotengera za pulasitiki zikuchulukirachulukira, makamaka ndizogulitsa zinthu. Chilichonse chimadzaza ndi pulasitiki. Zachidziwikire, malamulo amatha kapena kulowererapo, chifukwa ogula okha ndi ofooka. Ndipo tiyenera kusuntha andale kumeneko.

Ndipo imatha kukhala kanyumba. Pakadali pano, mfundo zaulimi zikuwonetsa momwe zingachitire izi, pomwe mabizinesi akuluakulu ndi ndalama zazikulu zimapanga nyimbo, kunena kwake, komanso ndale zonse kuvina pamnyimbo uno.

ZOCHITA: Pali chitsanzo chabwino kwambiri cha glyphosate. Izi zakula kale.

LANGBEIN: Inde, ndipo vuto lenileni ndi glyphosate silili, mwa lingaliro langa, ngati mtolankhani waz yazaumoyo, kuti ndi carcinogenic, koma vuto lenileni ndiloti likugwirizana ndipo ndi lover la chitukuko chopanda tanthauzo muulimi, womwe ndi mtundu wa hybrid genetic engineering Makampani tsopano akuyesera kudzilimbitsa okha ndi mavuto owopsa padziko lonse lapansi komanso mothandizidwa ndi andale aku Europe. Monga mukuwonera, ndale zimatha kuchita zambiri. Zikatero, zimapangitsa kusiyanasiyana kwa mbewu paliponse ndipo ang'onoang'ono azikhala ndi mwayi wocheperapo kuposa kale.

ZOCHITA: Kodi mutu wakudziwona, womwe umapezekanso m'mafilimu, chinthu chachikulu cholimbikitsira anthu amderali?

KIRNER: Kudzizindikira, kudzipanga ndekha, ndinganene, popeza sindine chidole cha kumwa, koma kupanga moyo wanga ndikukhala ndi mwayi wokhoza kutero. Ichi ndi china chake, ndikuganiza, tifunika kuyang'ananso pang'ono. Amereka ali ndi izi zamphamvu kwambiri kuposa momwe timakhalira ku Europe m'mitundu yawo, m'malingaliro awo kuti ali ndi udindo pazinthu zawo. Achizungu nthawi zina amakankhira pamenepo pang'ono.

Ndipo ndikuvomereza kuti madongosolo andale ndizofunikira kwathunthu, koma ndikuganiza kuti tili nazo m'manja mwathu. Ndipo ndizosangalatsa ngati ndingasankhe ndekha.

Ndimapanga moyo wanga momwe ndimafunira, osati chifukwa choti winawake akufuna kuti ndizivala mtundu winawake kapena mwina ndiyenera kukhala ndi magalimoto awiri kutsogolo kwa chitseko, ndikusankha. Ndisankho changa.

LANGBEIN: Koma pazomwezi ndifunanso dongosolo. Ndipo mtundu wodzipangira wekha, womwe ndimawonanso kuti ndi wofunikira kwambiri, chifukwa ife monga anthu timafunika kusinthika ndikulimbana ndi kudzipatula, ndiye chikhalidwe chamachitidwe azachuma, ndiye kuti pogwira ntchito, zingakhale zogulitsa ndi alimi kapena malonda ndi mafakitale. Kuti zolimbikitsira zikupita kolakwika pali zotsatira za ndale. Ndipo izi sizisintha, ndipo ziyenera kusintha.

Kupititsa patsogolo mitundu yamafuko azachuma kukhala ntchito yandale, ndipo tiyenera kutero. Chifukwa chimodzi ndi chochita payekha ndipo inayo ndi ntchito. Ndipo mitundu ya ntchito pakadali pano ndiyotalikirana kwambiri ndi mitundu yodziyimira nokha. Ndipo ngati mukulimbikitsa kupanga ntchito zamanja mobwerezabwereza ndipo ngati mungathandizire mitundu yakumanga yolima kumidzi m'malo mwa msika wokulima ndi mafakitale akuluakulu, ndiye kuti zinthuzo nzosiyana.

ZOCHITA: Chifukwa mukuyankhula izi, ndizomveka kuzimvetsetsa komaso makampani andale kuti makampani ndi makampani akulu amapatsidwa thandizo lapadera chifukwa, mwanjira imeneyi, amapanga mtundu wina wopanga ntchito.

KIRNER: Popeza ndiyenera kutsutsana tsopano. Makamaka ku Austria, makampani apakatikati ndi omwe amapanga ntchito.

ZOCHITA: Malinga ndi momwe ndimaonera, zachidziwikire, mumadzipeputsira nokha pongothandizira makampani akulu m'njira zosiyanasiyana kuti athe kusamalira kapena kukulitsa ntchito. Mungasinthe bwanji izi? Polimbikitsa ma SME kapena mabizinesi amisiri kwambiri?

KIRNER: Mwachitsanzo, pankhani yamphamvu nazonso, ndikulakwitsa kuganiza kuti, mwachitsanzo, magetsi amkati omwe tili nawo pakadali pano amapanga ntchito zambiri kuposa omwe adasankhidwa.

Udzakhala mwayi waukulu kuti ntchito zatsopano zilimbikitse mphamvu zina. Ndipo ndikukhulupirira kuti tili mwanjira ina komanso opanga zisankho mu malingaliro omangidwa, zomwe sizikudziwika mpaka pano.

Chifukwa mphamvu zina zitha kukhala ndi kuthekera kwakukulu, ndipo ngati mutayesa kutsogolera mphamvu zathu popanga zobiriwira, komanso pankhani ya misonkho, ndiye kuti ntchito zitha kupanga, osati kuwononga.

LANGBEIN: Ndikukhulupiliranso kuti tikhala tikulangizidwa kuti tidzapitenso limodzi. Chifukwa kukakamizidwa kukula kumachitika mwadongosolo lathu lazachuma, ndipo ndale zikutsalira, ndipo chinthu chokhacho ndichofunikira kukula. Izi ndizofunikira kwambiri, osati zabwino zokha komanso kugwiritsa ntchito zinthu, zomwe sizimagwiranso ntchito.

Ndipo ine ndikuganiza ifenso tiyenera kuyenda sitepe ndi sitepe komanso mwanzeru, koma kuchokera pamalingaliro amakula awa. Koma capitalism singakhale opanda moyo popanda kukula, imafunikira, motero tikufuna mitundu ina ya chuma.

Ndipo mitundu ya mgwirizano yopanga ndi kutanthauzira kopitilira izi. Zachidziwikire, pamene akuchita mpikisano ndi kayendetsedwe kazachuma, amakakamizidwa nthawi zonse kuti akhumudwitse, koma malingaliro ndi zomwe zisankho zilipo ndizosiyana. Izi zitha kuwonekeranso m'mabungwe akuluakulu kapena m'magulu ogwira ntchito omwe amagwirabe ntchito ndipo sikuti amangolemba.

Raiffeisen anali mgwirizano zaka mazana awiri zapitazo ndipo tsopano ndi bungwe lapadziko lonse lapansi lomwe limangogwiritsa ntchito chizindikiro ichi. Chifukwa chake, sikuti zonse zomwe zimatchedwa kuti mgwirizano zimachita zinthu mogwirizana.

Koma ndikhulupilira kuti tili olangizidwa bwino kuti tizipanga zofuna za andale, kuti, zoyambira ndi zoyambitsa izi zimalimbikitsidwa chifukwa zimangopangitsa kuti chuma china chiwonekere.

ZOCHITA: Mawu osakira Raiffeisen. Kodi zingachitike bwanji? Zachidziwikire kuti tikulankhula za nthawi ina, palibe funso.

LANGBEIN: Ngati mutayang'ana kumbuyo pang'ono, mutha kuwona kuti ngakhale mgwirizano woyambirira wa Raiffeisen mwadala sanafune kukayikira dongosolo lazachuma, koma amangogwiritsa ntchito mitundu ina ya mitundu yosinthanira ndi mitundu yogwirizira pambali pake. Sankangoyendetsa machitidwe ayi. Ndipo mayendedwe otere, ngati samasamala, akangofika pamlingo winawake, sangalephere kukwatirana ndi njirayi chifukwa mwanjira ina sangasinthe. Ndipo ndizomwe zinachitika. Ngakhale mabungwe akuluakulu othandizira nyumba, omwe adayambira poganizira zofananazi, adalumikizana kwathunthu ku dongosololi. Pali, ndikukhulupirira, masiku ano mabungwe awiri ogulitsa nyumba omwe ali ndi mayina awo, omwe akuyesetsa kuti apange nyumba zotsika mtengo, zamagetsi komanso osachulukitsa phindu. Ndipo mabungwe ogwiritsira ntchito makasitomala asintha kwambiri pachisoni cha demokalase. Ochuluka adaswa chifukwa sanakhalenso moyo komanso wadongosolo mwa demokalase.

Koma kulephera kwa mgwirizanowu kuyambira kale 150, zaka za 200 siziyenera kutiyesa kunena kuti sizikugwira ntchito. Pali zitsanzo zapadziko lonse lapansi zomwe zikuwonetsa kuti imagwira ntchito kale.

Komanso a Mondragón ku Basque Country, mwachitsanzo, ndi mgwirizano wamgwirizano. Tinalinso, nawonso, omwe sanapeze malo mu kanema. Amanenanso za mgwirizano m'makampani, pakati pamakampani ndi m'chigawo komanso ndalama zothandizira maphunziro ndi mabungwe ofufuza kuchokera kumabungwe omwe akuchita nawo. Izi zikuwonetsa kuti izi zitha kupitilira komanso kuti pali mayendedwe omwe akukayikira kale kukonzekera mbali imodzi pa kukula ndi kuchuluka kwa ndalama.

Akatswiri azachuma, nawonso, ayenera kuchoka pamipando yawo yabwino yotsika komanso yazachuma, yomwe imatsimikiziridwa kuti ndi yolakwika nthawi zambiri, ndikuyambitsa mkangano wazowona pagulu lotsatira.

Ndipo pamenepo mumafunikira zitsanzo komanso zosinthika, pali zinthu monga choncho ndalama zotsimikizika inde udindo. Zingakhale zazikulu motani zomwe zingakhale mutu wa kutsutsanako. Koma tiyeneranso kulingalira pamtundu wa kukhalapo kwa ntchito zopindulitsa monga momwe tikumvera tsopano, chifukwa ngati sichoncho zonse zitha kusokonekera, kenako kutengeka kudzatiwopseza. Ndipo tikuyenera kuwunikira ntchito yothandizirana ndi anthu komanso yofunikira kupitilira ntchito yopeza lingaliro lina, zomwe zingakhale zolondola komanso zomveka, motero ndikupanga kumvetsetsa kosiyana kwa mgwirizano wathu.

KIRNER: Mutu wake ndi: Sitingayimitse kupita patsogolo kwa ukadaulo, nzosatheka. Simuyenera kukhala apocalyptist kunena kuti ngati sitichita, winawake amatero.

Mwanjira ina, ngati sitipanga nzeru ku Europe, ena adzatero, ndipo atha kupanga zotsika mtengo kwambiri pamsika uwu kuti tidzakakamizidwa kuti tipewe msika.

Mwanjira ina, tikuyenera kupeza njira yochitira ndi izi, ndipo pakadali pano, mwa lingaliro langa, tangolephera. Pali mbewu yaying'ono yamanyazi ngati imeneyi ndalama zosafunikira, yomwe idaponyedwa mu mpikisano, koma ndimasowa njira zina. Sitikhala ndi mbadwo wambiri kuti tipeze mayankho.

ZOCHITA: Koma sizikuwoneka ngati zikuwongoleredwa ndale mbali iliyonse. Makina osindikiza kapena msika wamavenda.

LANGBEIN: Pakadali pano zinthu zangokhala chonchi ku Austria. Koma ngati mukukhulupirira bwino, mutha kunena kuti chimenecho chingakhale kanthawi kochepa. Chifukwa ngati titapitiliza kugwiritsa ntchito ndondomeko mosakwiya ndi kumbuyo, ndiye kuti gulu lathu limakhamukira kukhoma. Ndipo ndikuganiza anthu ochulukirapo akuzindikira izi.

ZOCHITA: Tikufuna kuti kusinthaku kukulephereke, kukhala ndi mphamvu zowonjezereka, ku njira yothandizirana, Kukula kwa postal. Koma timakwanitsa bwanji? Mwa kuyankhula kwina, kodi ntchito imeneyi ikhoza kukhala mkati mwa njira ya capitalist mwa kugwiritsa ntchito njira yomwe ilipo kuti ilimbikitse zake zokha? Ndi zomwe Fairtrade amachita. Kapena kodi zimafunikiranso kusintha kwakukulu pamalamulo poti, "Tikufuna kufewetsa ndikusintha capitalism tsopano." Izi zikuyenera kuchitika pamlingo wapamwamba, mwachitsanzo pamlingo wa EU.

LANGBEIN: Ziyenera kukhala, choncho, ndikuganiza. Gawo loyamba ndikukumbukira zomwe 1945 20 kudzera 30 idakhala zaka zandale kwa zaka zambiri, kupereka capitalism ndi zomangika zomveka ndikupanga zinthu zomwe zimachepetsa zowononga kwambiri za capitalism, monga capitalism yachuma. Ndilo dongosolo la tsikulo.

Dongosolo la tsikuli lingakhale lilingalire za chuma chomwe chimakhala chopanda tanthauzo lakukula chitha kuwoneka. Ndipo pakuyenera kuti pali zinthu zinanso zomwe zikukulamulira kuposa kungowonjezera ndalama ngati mfundo, chifukwa tikatero tidzakhalabe pamalingaliro akukulira ndipo sitingathe kupulumuka makampani omwe sakukula. Mwanjira ina, tikufuna mitundu ina ya zochitika zachuma, choyambirira ndipo, mwachiyembekezo, mtsogolo monga njira yazachuma kwambiri.

KIRNER: Inde, ndimasaina motero.

ZOCHITA: Izi sizikuyankha funso langa. Kwa ine, mfundo yofunika ndi iyi: zimatenga chiyani kuti asinthe chuma? Kodi kusandulika kukhala gulu lakale pambuyo pa kukula kumayamba bwanji?

KIRNER: Ndikuganiza kuti ndichifukwa chake zoyeseza monga Fairtrade ndizofunikira, osati ife tokha, koma njira zina zambiri zothandizirana ngati zitatipangitsa kuwona kuti zinthu sizosiyana. Kuti sitikhulupirira kuti ziyenera kupitilizabe. Ndipo ndikudalira kale m'badwo wotsatira. Nthawi zonse kumanenedwa kuti achinyamatawa ali ndi chinthu china m'mutu. Koma sizowona. Ndikaona kuchuluka kwa ana anga komanso malingaliro akutsogolo kwa ana anga ndi malo awo ndi ena ambiri ku masukulu omwe ndimawalimbikitsa kuti adzagwire ntchito kuno, ndili ndi chiyembekezo kuti izi zitha kuchitika mwachangu.

Timalingalira nthawi zonse izi. Sichoncho. Fairtrade yatenganso zaka 15 kuti ayambe kuyambitsa, ndipo pazaka khumi zapitazi pakhala chiwonetsero chotsimikizika chokwera.

Zinalinso chimodzimodzi kwa Bio, zinatenga nthawi yayitali kuti ziyambe, kenako zidakwera. Izi zimatha kuyenda mwachangu. Galimoto, mwachitsanzo, ilibe mkhalidwe womwewo kwa achinyamata masiku ano monga idatichitira kale. Achinyamatawa ndiwononga, chifukwa aliyense wa ife akufuna kudya ndi zake, koma osati momwe tili.

LANGBEIN: Zimakhala zovuta kupeza ma intern omwe amatha kuyendetsa galimoto chifukwa izi zilibe kanthu kwa anthu awa. Koma ndimafuna kuwonjezera china: palinso mphamvu ya zitsanzo ndi zithunzi.

Nditakumverani, zidapezeka kuti ndili ku Uganda ku Fairtrade Gold mine ku Africa. Mwamuwona. Ndipo sindinadziwe kukula kwa izi m'mbuyomu, koma kuli anthu mamiliyoni a 100 akugwira ntchito ndi manja awo kukumba chuma chathu pansi. Ndinali ndi chithunzi chosiyana kotheratu. Anthu miliyoni a 100. Ndipo pamenepo mutha kuwona zosintha zazikulu zodabwitsa zomwe zikuchitika kumeneko kwa anthu omwe tsopano akugwira ntchito mgodi wa golide wa Fairtrade, wogwirizana, wogwirizana.

Miyezo yachitetezo idakali yakale, koma siyinonso yakufa, koma pali ntchito yoyenera. Mutha kuchita popanda mercury ndikupeza kuchuluka kwa 95 mmalo mwa 30 peresenti ya msika wapadziko lonse wagolide wanu. Izi mwadzidzidzi zimapangitsa moyo kukhala wabwino. Chifukwa chake tiyenera kufalitsa zithunzi ngati izi chifukwa zikuwonetsa munthu aliyense amene safuna kuwononga chilichonse ndi zinthu zomwe amagula, kuti sikofunikira kuti awononge china chake. Zithunzi zotere zili ndi mphamvu.

ZOCHITA: Zachidziwikire, ndiye zambiri. Koma tikalankhula za zithunzi ndi nkhani, muyenera kuti nawonso muyenera kuona malo athu pazenera. Ndipo popeza sizikuwoneka ngati izi zikufotokozedwa mwamphamvu.

KIRNER: Kutsutsa kwa media kuli ponseponse, ndichifukwa chake zimandivuta kulowa mnyanga. Ndikuwona kuti ndikofunikira kuti atolankhani achite ntchito yawo. Komabe, ndili ndi vuto lofufuza mosamalitsa ndikuyang'ana china chake chomwe chimakondweretsa anthu kuti awerenge. Mwachitsanzo, lingalirani za ndale ku Austria kokha. Tikukhala m'dziko lokhazikika kwambiri lomwe, zaka makumi angapo zapitazi, omwe anali ndiopanga mfundo omwe adachita ntchito yabwino, muyenera kungonena. Zachidziwikire, pali zinthu zomwe sizinayende bwino, koma chodziwika ndi chakuti tinachokera ku mavuto azachuma bwino. Tikukhala m'dziko lomwe palibe munthu amene ayenera kufa ndi kufa ndipo kwenikweni aliyense ali ndi chithandizo chamankhwala. Chifukwa chake tili m'malo abwino.

Ndipo, chiwopsezo chikufunidwa nthawi zonse. Zachidziwikire kuti muyenera kuvundukula zinthu komanso. Mwachitsanzo, ngati pali zovuta kuchipatala, muyenera kufotokoza. Koma ndi vuto kuti nthawi zonse mumayang'ana pa izi.

LANGBEIN: Khama lofalitsa nkhani lokhala ndi chiyembekezo chongochita bwino kwakanthawi ndizovuta. Ndipo tonse tiyenera kuyesetsa kuthana ndi izi ndikuyesera kuti anzathu asapite patsogolo potengera izi. Palibe dziko lofalitsa, koma pali mitundu yosiyana kwambiri yazowonera. Ndipo palinso dziko lazofalitsa lokhala ndi mafunso okhalitsa ndikuwonera ndi zithunzi za kujambula ndi zokambirana zamtsogolo, zomwe zikufunika kulimbikitsidwa. Zowona, andale amatha kuchita izi ndi ndalama zawo komanso zotsatsa, zomwe akuchita pakali pano.

 

ZOCHITA: Tiyeni tibwererenso ku misa. M'malingaliro anga, munthu akufunika kusintha kwa mfundo.

LANGBEIN: Mulimonsemo.

ZOCHITA: Ndi chifukwa chake ndidabwera pamutu wofalitsa nkhani. M'malingaliro anga, malingaliro athu ambiri amakhala olakwika kwathunthu. Kwa ambiri, abwino mdera lathu ndi munthu wolemera, wina wotchuka, nyenyezi ya pop, wochita sewero.

LANGBEIN: Koma kodi nchifukwa ninji anthu tsopano asankha populist wokhala ndi mapiko olondola kapena ngakhale njira yoyenera patali? Chifukwa amaopa komanso chifukwa amamva ngati otayika. Amaona kuti apachikidwa. Mukuwona kuti gawo laling'ono kwambiri, komanso m'chiwonetsero cha chikwi, limatha kukafika kumadera awa.

Ambiri ali m'gulu la otaika pamenepa. Kumbali inayo, pali gulu la anthu omwe akusunthira kukhutira, kukhutitsidwa ndi moyo, kufuna moyo wosiyana, chuma china.

Ndikukhulupirira ndi mtima wonse kuti mu mpikisano uwu, wolephera komanso wopambana moyo watsopano amatha kupeza mphamvu zochulukirapo pazithunzi zabwino za moyo wina, wabwino. Pakadali pano sizili choncho, ndikugwirizana ndi inu.

KIRNER:

Ndikutanthauza, kuti liu loti kuchita bwino lakhala mawu osyasyalika, likupotozedwa kwathunthu. Ndikukumbukira, ndidakulira munthawi yomwe akatswiriwa anali ngwazi, Gandhi komanso monga amatchedwa. Awa anali anthu omwe mumafuna kuwatsata. Koma mzaka za makumi asanu ndi zinayi, mabanki aku Wall Street adayamba kukhala zitsanzo.

LANGBEIN: Koma izi zikuyamba kusweka.

KIRNER: Inde, sizoperekedwa ndi Mulungu.

LANGBEIN: Koma ndi mkwiyo wosayanjanitsika tsopano. Mkwiyo ukhoza kuwongoleredwa, ndipo zikuchitika tsopano pang'onopang'ono popita ndi mapiko amanja.

ZOCHITA: Koma kumbali yolakwika.

LANGBEIN: Inde, kumbali yolakwika. Koma sizoperekedwa ndi Mulungu kuti ziyenera kukhala motere.

KIRNER: Ndikuyembekeza pang'ono tsopano za izi. Mwachitsanzo, ndikayang'ana ku United States, anthu amangokhala ndi mkwiyo chifukwa amawona kuti palibe amene amawasamala. Kenako mumangosankha wina amene amayeserera kuti awalankhulire ndi kuwasinthira china. Ngati mungayang'ane mayiko otchedwa ntchentche awa, ndi mavuto angati omwe abwera kumeneko m'zaka makumi angapo zapitazi, ntchito zatha, anthu adzayang'ana gawo lalikulu, ndipo tsopano asankhidwa.

Funso ndilakuti, kodi iwonso akhale crux ku Europe konse: kodi timatha kuyankhulanso ndi anthu awa?

Ndikutanthauzanso kuti ndi osankhika, kuti sayenera kupereka chithunzi kuti iyi ndi pulogalamu ya ophunzira apamwamba okha. Ndi mutu womwe uyenera kusuntha aliyense. Ngati ndigula malonda pano, ngati nthochi, mwachitsanzo, ndiye kuti sindikufuna kuti wantchitoyo mbali ina ya dziko lapansi azikhala m'malo ovuta. Chifukwa sindikuchifunanso chimenecho.

Wina yemwe amagwira ntchito mufakitale amafunanso kulemekezedwa ndikupatsidwa malipiro oyenera. Ndipo ndi izi mutha kufikira anthu kale. Ndipo ine ndikuganiza Fairtrade ikuchita bwino. Ndipo enanso atha kuchita izi, kuphatikiza yeyositi. Chuma choterechi chitha kukhala china chomwe chitha kugwiritsidwa ntchito kukopa anthu.

ZOCHITA: Ndikugwirizana kwathunthu ndi inu. Tsoka ilo, ndili kale wovuta panthawi yonseyi.

KIRNER: Iyo ndi ntchito yanu, inunso.

ZOCHITA: Kwenikweni, ndilinso ndi chiyembekezo. Koma sikufunikirabe malamulo oyenera, aposachedwa, mwachitsanzo, okhudza chilengedwe, ponena za kayendedwe ka zinthu kuchokera, mwachitsanzo, China kupita ku Europe? Mwachitsanzo, msonkho wa eco pazinthu zonse zomwe zimayenda mtunda wopitilira 300 kilomita.

LANGBEIN: Ndi misonkho imayendetsedwa ndipo misonkho iyenera kulamulidwa. Imangoyesedwa molakwika pakadali pano. Kuchulukitsa kwa anthu ogwira ntchito kumathandizira kuti ntchito yochepera ikhale yofunikira. Zowona kuti mayendedwe amtundu umodzi amathandizidwa ndi boma zimatipangitsa kuti tizingokhala ndi zinthu zomwe zimapangidwa mbali ina ya dziko chifukwa zimapangidwa pamtengo wotsika mtengo.

Koma ngati mungayang'ane zotsatira zachilengedwe za misala iyi ndi njira, ndalama sizili bwino. Tikufuna ndalama zina. Tiyenera kufunsa njira zoyenera chifukwa timazifuna mwachangu.

KIRNER: Timachokera ku nthawi yomwe zinthu zimayenera kukhala zotsika mtengo, kuti anthu azitha kulipirira komanso kutukuka. Koma tsopano tili pafupi, pomwe izi sizikugwiranso ntchito.

Zogulitsazo zikakhala zotsika mtengo, sitingathe kupanga kuchuluka kwa anthu ambiri. Titha kutero ngati titha kugwiritsa ntchito zanzeru komanso ngati titapangitsanso ntchito zina ku Europe ndi ku USA komanso ku China.

LANGBEIN: Kugwiritsa ntchito mosasunthika si buzzword, koma kufunikira kwa ola lake.

KIRNER: Inde. Ichi ndi chinthu chomwe chitha kukhala injini yotsimikizika yakukula kwa ntchito. Ndipo kusintha uku poganiza kuti, mwachitsanzo, kumakhometsa misonkho ndikuthandizira ntchito.

Ngati tidziyang'ana tokha, kuti timapereka misonkho ya 50 peresenti, owalemba ntchito kachiwiri 30 peresenti, chimenecho ndi katundu wamisonkho waukulu, yemwe ndi weniweni kwa wogwira ntchito. Komabe, mphamvu, imakhala yochepa kwambiri. komanso Makina, wogwiritsa ntchito makina.

Sindikunena kuti yankho losavuta. Koma ngati sitichita izi posachedwa, izi zimalimba ndipo pamapeto pake sipadzakhala misonkho yokwanira antchito. Kenako tikufunika yankho lina.

LANGBEIN: Ndipo kubwereranso ku chidwi changa chakanthawi, zitsanzo zomwe zimakhala m'mafilimu zimawonetsa kuti anthu akatenga tsogolo lomwe limawasunthira komanso mitundu ya moyo yomwe amasunthira, pamakhala mwayi wopanga, momwe sitimaganizira nthawi zambiri.

1,5 ikhoza kupatsa anthu mamiliyoni ambiri zakudya zamagulu, zatsopano. Wina akhoza kunyoza kampani yapadziko lonse lapansi monga Unilever ndikuti: Ayi, sitilola fakitale yathu kupita kummawa, koma tidzakhalamo zaka zitatu, mpaka bungwe litayamba.

Izi zikachitika pachitseko, aliyense wa ife anganene kuti sizigwira ntchito. Ndipo, onani, zidapita. Zimangowonetsa kuti tonse tifunika kuyendetsa zinthu m'manja mwathu. Tikukhala mu demokalase, ndipo mu demokalase anthu andale amatha kutengera zochita za anthu. Tiyeni tiyambe ndi izi.

ZOCHITA: Koma kodi sindiwo kusiyana komwe machitidwewa ndi izi zimagwirira ntchito mukakhudzidwa mwachindunji?

LANGBEIN: Inde, koma tonsefe timakhudzidwa mwachindunji.

ZOCHITA: Inde, koma izo zili kutali ndi ife. Ngati ndine mlimi waku Austria, ndimakonda kuchitapo kanthu kuposa momwe ndikugulira zomwe tsopano ndikugula zinthu zachilengedwe.

LANGBEIN: Koma mayendedwe monga ma organic kayendedwe ndi Fairtrade amawonetsa kuti ndizotheka, nthawi yomwe zikuwonekeratu kuti ndimomwe ndimakondwerera kugula kwanga. Ndipo ndizomwe zimakhudza, muyenera kupanga maulumikizidwe. Pachikhalidwe chogawa ntchito, munthu sangathenso kujambula zithunzizi mwachindunji, momwe zilili momwe amafunira. Ndizomveka, zoona, ngati wogula akudziwa mlimi yemwe amapanga masamba ake, koma sizingagwire ntchito nthawi zonse. Ndipo kuti mukudziwa mgodi aliyense ku Katanga, yemwe amapereka ma batri a m'manja mwathu mabatire, sizigwira ntchito mwina. Koma ikhoza kuyanjanitsidwa ndikupereka mabungwe monga Fairtrade ndi zina zotero, omwe amalanda izi ndikuyika chidziwitso.

ZOCHITA: Chitsanzo chabwino ndi a Hansalim ku South Korea. Kodi ndichinthu chomwe chikusowa ku Europe?

KIRNER: Mwina osati pamlingo wofanana ndi Hansalim, koma amalonda aku Swiss akadali ogwirizana. Izi zili bwino, ngakhale sizolumikizana mwachindunji mpaka momwe South Korea ilili. Zimafunikanso, ku Switzerland, koma osati momwe ndingadziwire, monga ku South Korea.

LANGBEIN: Ndikukhulupirira ndi mtima wonse kuti iyi ndi mfundo yofunika kwambiri.

ZOCHITA: Kodi izi ndizosowa pamsika?

LANGBEIN: JA.

Ndipo ndikuyembekeza. Osachepera ku Germany, zokambirana zikuchitika kale pakati pa izi chakudya chazakudya ndi zoyeserera zogwirizana ndi ulimi, njira yonse yolowera chakudya pang'onopang'ono, chomwe onse amagawana nkhawa iyi mwanjira zina, amangokhala okha, zomwe zimapangitsa kuti pakhale gulu lalikulu lolumikizana.

Chifukwa ndiye, zowonadi, mphamvu ya kayendedwe kameneka ndi yosiyana kwambiri, ngati kuti aliyense amadzilemba pawokha. Chifukwa chake, kudzipatula kwapita patali kwambiri, ndipo mgwirizano uyenera kukhalapo. Ndikukhulupirira pali kusuntha uku.

ZOCHITA: Hansalim samagulitsanso malonda komanso samatsatsa? Kodi mumakhalanso ndi mashopu?

LANGBEIN:

Hansalim ndi mgwirizano pakati pa alimi ang'onoang'ono a 10.000 omwe ali mamembala amgwirizanowu, ndi mamiliyoni a 1,5 ogula omwe ali mamembala amgwirizanowu, ndi zida zochepa, zotsimikizika pakati, zomwe zimayang'anira, pokhapokha 30 peresenti ya kuyesayesa kuphatikizapo kukonza zakudya Kupanga kwa tofu ndi zina zotero, kupanga zida zaulimi za 2000 komanso kupatsa anthu okhala mu mzindawu chakudya chokhacho, chakudya chatsopano, komanso chilichonse chokhacho.

Ndipo kumbali imodzi, alimi ang'onoang'ono ali ndi malingaliro azachuma, chifukwa m'malo mwa 20 25 mpaka 70 peresenti yamtengo wogula, mwadzidzidzi amapeza XNUMX peresenti. Ndi izi, mlimi wocheperako amatha kupulumuka, nawonso, ndipo ntchito yaulimi itha kukhala yabwinobwino momwe munthu angakwaniritsire ntchito yake yaulere. Ndilo fungulo lofunika kwambiri pakupulumukira kwa magulu a anthu wamba, kuti anthu wamba azikhala akatswiri, monga momwe ena amachitira, panjira ya mwayi wokhala ndi moyo. Kumbali inayi, simungapite ku malo ogulitsira apamwamba m'mizinda, chifukwa mwatsoka, ndi kugula zipatso kuchokera ku Chile ku Denn's.

ZOCHITA: Kodi zikuwoneka bwanji kuchokera kumbali ya ogula? Ndi mamembala?

LANGBEIN: Inde. Mamembala okha ndi omwe angatenge katundu wawo pamenepo.

ZOCHITA: Koma palibe malo ogulitsira?

LANGBEIN: Awa ndi malo ogulitsira a 220, omwe amabwera ochepa pachaka chilichonse. Chaka chilichonse mamembala atsopano a 60.000 amalowa nawo, chifukwa izi ndizowoneka bwino kwambiri. Ngati ndinu membala pamenepo, mutha kuloza pamitengo yomwe iperekedwa pamenepo, malonda ake, apo ayi. Ndipo mitengoyo imakambidwa ndikutsimikiziridwa chaka chilichonse pakati pa ogula ndi opanga, kotero alimi amadziwa kuti amapeza mtengo wawo wokonzekera ma mandarins awo kapena mbewu zawo kapena soya chaka chonse, mosasamala ndi kusinthasintha kwa msika wapadziko lonse kapena kusinthasintha kwina.

 

ZOCHITA: Apa tabwereranso pa kuwonetsa mtengo. Kupatula apo, anthu ambiri amayambitsa bizinesi kuti apeze ndalama, osati kuti azingokhala.

LANGBEIN: Ndingakane izi pamlanduwo. Cooperative Hansalim idakhazikitsidwa zaka za 30 zapitazo ngati njira yaying'ono ngati mgwirizano uliwonse womwe tingakhale nawo lero ndipo wakula mkati mwa zaka za 30 chifukwa imapatsa alimi ndalama zabwino, zokhazikika. Izi ndizosemphana ndi mavuto azovuta za anzathu, kupatula alimi akuluakulu. Zimapatsanso ogula m'mizinda, zokolola zatsopano. Uwu ndi mtundu wa bizinesi womwe umapita patsogolo kwambiri kuposa kungowonjezera ndalama. Koma ndikuganiza choncho, ndipo takambirana mokwanira kuti anthu ochulukirachulukira akufunafuna njira zina zogwirira ntchito zachuma ndi kuzindikira kwawo, zomwe sizimangopanga ndalama zokhazokha kapena kuwonjezeka kwa ndalama ngati mathero pazokha.

KIRNER: Zachidziwikire, izi zitha kukhalanso njira yoti amalonda omwe alipo alowera uku. Chifukwa malonda a pa intaneti ndi chinthu chomwe, ndikukhulupirira, bizinesi iyi imanjenjemera kwambiri, chifukwa ili ndiye gawo lotsatira patsogolo podziwikiratu izi. Ndipo zogulitsa zam'deralo, kapena zogulitsa komwe mukudziwa komwe zimachokera, komanso komwe mukuwongolera, ndichinthu chomwe amalonda am'deralo amatha kusiyanitsa ndi wamkulu, wosadziwika. Kwa mabungwe ogwira ntchito, funso nlakuti ngati izi zikadali zofunikira kwambiri lero ku Austria. Chowonadi ndichakuti: ndi mgwirizano wachichepere kwambiri. Zachidziwikire, pamene mabungwe amgwirizano amatuluka nthawi zambiri amakhala kumbuyo kwawo. Nthawi zonse ndimakumbukira chitsanzo cha Nicaragua. Pamenepo mumayendetsa kuchokera mumzinda wina wotsatira maola awiri ndi jeep. Koma anthu kumeneko alibe Jeep, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti amayenda mtunda wautali kukagulitsa zinthu zawo.

Ngati wogwirizanitsa amatenga galimoto ndikugulitsa katundu kwa alimi, ndi gawo lalikulu patsogolo pawo. Mlimi ku Nicaragua alibe ngongole. Ndiye kuti, amatha kupatsana ngongole iliyonse. Umu ndi momwe dongosolo la mgwirizano lidakhalira ku Europe.

LANGBEIN: Inde. Ndipo mapulogalamu angapo a Fairtrade amakonzedwa mogwirizana.

KIRNER: Tikuyesera kuchita izi mogwirizana ndi maunyolo omwe alipo kale. Ndipo timayesetsa kupita patsogolo munyumba zomwe zilipo kale. Izi zikutanthauza kuti mabungwe ogwirira ntchito akupangidwa pakati pa alimi, omwe amatha kupereka mwachindunji kwa ogulitsa ku Europe. Nthawi zina mumakhala pakati pa anthu chifukwa, mwachitsanzo, amasamalira miyambo. Koma chofunikira ndichakuti maunyolo amtengo amayenera kuwonekera poyera komanso kufupikitsa, ndipo kulipira kwa omwe amalandira zomwe zikuwonekeranso bwino. Ndipo ndichinthu chomwe pano tikuwona ngati chitukuko chachikulu m'maketoni. Tekinoloje iyi ya blockchain itha kuthandizanso kuti mayendedwe operekera azitsatiridwa mosavuta. Chifukwa chake, pali zinthu zomwe zikuchitika zomwe zitha kusintha kwambiri mzaka khumi kapena 20 zikubwerazi. Chifukwa chake zikutanthauza kuti ndili ndi chiyembekezo chonse kuti zitha kuchita bwino.

ZOCHITA: Pomaliza, ndi chiyani chomwe chizikhala patsogolo? Zikuyenera kuchitika ndi chiyani? Kodi chinthu chofunikira kwambiri ndi chiyani, chomwe chimakondweretsa kwambiri? Tanena kale kuti ogula ayenera kudya momwemo, zikuonekeratu. Kodi chikufunika kukakamizidwa pandale?

LANGBEIN: Tsopano tayandikira mafunso oyambiranso, koma ayankhidwa kale. Ndibwerezanso ndekha.

ZOCHITA: Ndikufuna mawu omaliza.

LANGBEIN: Zimafunikira zonse ziwiri. Ndipo palibe owongolera, koma alipo opindulitsa ambiri. Izi ndikuzindikiranso kuchokera pantchito yanga pa kanema kuti pali njira zosiyanasiyananso ndi zopindulitsa zosiyanasiyana ndipo zonse zili kwa ife tonse chifukwa tazindikira kuti dziko siligwira ntchito ngati titapitiliza motero Mabizinesi, monga m'mbuyomu, akutenga chimodzi mwa izi, ikhale mayendedwe othandizirana kapena kuonetsetsa kuti timadya mwachisawawa komanso mwatsopano m'malo mongotsatira njira zowonongeka za zakudya ndi mafakitale aulimi. Tiyenera kutenga zinthu m'manja mwathu ndi malingaliro olimba mtima kuti sitingakwanitse chilichonse, ndipo sitichokera ku ndalamayi. Ndikufunanso ndimalingaliro awa kukhala aafupi kwambiri. Kumbali ina, tikufunikiranso kuthandizira zoyeserera monga Fairtrade kapena zofanana, zomwe zimayesetsa kupanga chidziwitso pakumveka kosavuta kwa msika wapadziko lonse ndikuwonetsetsa momwe zinthu zilili koyambirira koyambira. Zowonadi ndi zakuti tikuzindikira kuti tili ndi tsogolo lathu m'manja mwathu ndikuti titha kuzisintha ngati titatenga zomwe tili m'manja m'manja mwathu.

KIRNER: Zomwe zimafunikira tsopano ndikumvetsetsa kuti dziko lapansi lakhala bwino m'zaka makumi angapo zapitazi. Si malo osimidwa. Kukukhala bwino komanso kwabwino kwa anthu ambiri, kutukuka kukukwera, tikukhala nthawi yayitali, tikukhala bwino kuposa kale. Ndipo titha kuchita zomwe tanena pano, kuti tikufunikiradi dongosolo latsopano ngati tikufuna kupulumuka mafunde aukadaulo omwe akubwera kwa ife tsopano. Tikufunika njira zatsopano zopitira patsogolo.

Ndi maphikidwe a zana lomaliza sakhala mavuto a 21. Zaka zana zimathetsedwa. Tiyeneradi kuwunika mozama momwe timathetsera nkhaniyi komanso momwe tingapangire moyo kukhala wofunika kwa ana athu ndi zidzukulu zathu. Ndipo pakufunika njira zatsopano komanso udindo wa anthu kudya kuti asawonongere dziko lapansi, komanso kuti asadzilempetse ndi zinthu zomwe palibe amene akufunika, koma kudya moyenera, kudya zakudya zabwino. Ndipo zimangothetsa mavuto ambiri.

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