Helmut Melzer
Umqondisi Kurt Langbein (Esithombeni kwesobunxele) inekuncomeka kakhulu futhi emihle kakhulu muva nje Imibhalo "Isikhathi sama-Utopias" silethwe ku-cinema. Umhleli wezinketho uHelmut Melzer usebenzisa lelo thuba kanye naye Trade fairUmphathi Ophethe Hartwig Kirner (r.) Ukwenza ingxoxo enemininingwane eminingi, esiyiletha lapha ngobude bangempela.
UKUKHONA: Izolo ngibuke le movie futhi ngiyithande kakhulu. Ikakhulu ngoba iya endaweni eyodwa, nakho okubonisa inketho.
IKURT LANGBEIN: Lapho-ke sesicishe sibe ngabazalwane emoyeni.
UKUKHONA: Singabafowethu emoyeni, ngicabanga, bonke lapha. Vele sizokhuluma ngefilimu engxoxweni yethu, kodwa ngithanda ukuthi sixoxe kancane. Ingxoxo ngombuzo eyenzeka kaninginingi kwifilimu, okuvame ukuba yisihloko sethu sisonke, okuyilokho okuyi-lever enkulu kakhulu. Yini indlela engcono yokufeza uguquko olukhonjiwe kumphakathi ocabanga ngendlela ehlukile? Lokhu ngamaphrojekthi amaningi amancane ahlukene ahlanganisiwe ndawonye, i-Fairtrade wukuhamba okukhulu. Futhi ifilimu ekhuluma ngeFairtrade nayo iyisikweletu esikhulu. Kepha: ingabe uhlelo olukhona lushintsha ngokusetshenziswa? Abantu abaningi basanaka kuphela izindleko zomkhiqizo.
LANGBEIN: Impendulo yami ingu-yebo ocacile. Ngikholwa ukuthi ukunyakaza kwabathengi, noma amalebula azimele ngempela futhi amahle anjenge-Fairtrade, ngokungafani ne-Schmählabels eqondiswe emkhakheni, okuyi-adsense optimization, kuwumsebenzi obaluleke kakhulu emsebenzini wokuqwashisa nokunikeza umfutho, futhi kuyabonakala yenza ukuthi kunesidingo esinamandla lapho. I-Fairphone ihamba ngendlela efanayo, ngakolunye uhlangothi, ngaphakathi kokuhleleka kwemakethe ukuzama ukukhiqiza imikhiqizo efanelekile, kodwa bayazi futhi ukuthi lokhu kuphela ngokwengxenye. Ungakubona lokho, futhi, futhi abakufihli lokho. Kepha ngikholwa ukuthi inhloso iya phambili futhi, ngokunengqondo, idlula kude, futhi, okungukuthi, njengokuphulwa kwe-Iron Curtain, esiyibiza ngomnotho wezimakethe, i-Iron Curtain phakathi kwabakhiqizi nabathengi. Futhi ngingathemba futhi ngilindele ukuthi ukunyakaza okufana neFairphone kuzophinde kunikeze izinhlangano zabathengi intshisekelo enkulu ekushintshaniseni okuqondile nolwazi oluqondile kubathengi. Futhi ukuthi ngokomgomo kungenzeka, ngiqonde, kubonisa isibonelo sikaHansalim kwifilimu. Njengoba ukushintshana kwenzeka njengoba senza kwezolimo ezincane ezihlanganisiwe. Futhi ngacabanga ngathi: "Kuhle, kuhle, kodwa akukaze kube kukhulu." Futhi ungabona ukuthi kuyasebenza.
I-1,5 inganikela ngezigidi zabantu ngqo kusuka kubalimi ngokudla kwesifunda, okutsha kokuphilayo. Ukushintshana kwenzeka ngqo futhi imakethe icishiwe kuleli cala, enomphumela omuhle wokuthi abalimi bathola okungaphezulu kakhulu kwalokho abebengakuthola kumkhiqizo weFairtrade, okungukuthi amaphesenti we-70 akhokhwa abathengi , Ngakho-ke lokho kuzoba isinyathelo esilandelayo.
Kimi lezi zindlela ezimbili zokuzibandakanya okusebenzayo namandla okubhubhisa alesi simiso sezomnotho ngomqondo omuhle aziphikisani, kepha empeleni zinobunye. Kepha kunezigaba ezimbili entuthukweni engikholwa ukuthi kumele zenzeke, ukuze izingane zethu nabazukulu, bahlale kuleli banga, bangabi nalo nethuba lokuphila ngokuthula kulo mhlaba.
HARTWIG KIRNER: Kimi empeleni kuyindlela yokushintsha umhlaba ngokusebenzisa ukusetshenziswa komqondo. Ukusetshenziswa okuningi ngeke kuthuthukise umhlaba. Vele, uma ngithenga izicathulo eziningi, izimoto eziningi, omakhalekhukhwini abaningi, umhlaba ngeke ube ngcono. Kuzoba ngcono ngokuthenga ngokunembeza kakhulu. Ngizibekele isibonelo. Bengilokhu ngithenga izicathulo ezingabizi kakhulu manje, futhi manje njengoba sekuphele ngazimbili ngemuva kokugqokwa amahlandla ayishumi ngoba beshibhile kakhulu, ngacabanga, "Wenzani? Ulahla izicathulo ezintathu ngazimbili lapha ngonyaka, yize ungakwazi, uma uthenga i-pair enengqondo, ongayigqoka iminyaka eyisikhombisa, eyisishiyagalombili. "Kungabiza kakhulu ekuqaleni, kodwa ekugcineni kosuku nginamkhiqizo, engithokozela kakhulu ngalo.
Ngamanye amagama, inkinga esivame ukuba nayo ukuthi sicabanga ngendlela engafanele ukuthi ukusimamisa kuwukulahla, okungukuthi, ukulahla inhlala-kahle yakho.
Inkinga efanayo yayinokunyakaza okuvela ekuqaleni ekuqaleni, ukuthi sasicabanga ukuthi leyo kwakuyimikhiqizo yama-gummy kuphela. Kepha lokho sekudlule isikhathi eside, imikhiqizo ye-organic manje ingomunye wemikhiqizo emihle. Futhi umuzwa wokuthi ngisafanele ngidle futhi ngidle umkhiqizo ongayilimazi ngandlela thile imvelo, ungenza ngijabule ngokwengeziwe, kube sengathi ngidla noma yimuphi umkhiqizo. Futhi kusebenza okufanayo kuzo zonke izici ezizinzileyo. Kufanele siyeke ukwethula le ndatshana yokuqina ngomunwe ophakanyisiwe futhi siyixhumanise nalokhu kubizwa kabusha kanye ne-ascetic aura.
LANGBEIN: Futhi yilokho esiyikho konke, kepha ngikholwa ukuthi sonke siyavuma ukuthi sidinga ukuncishiswa okukhulu enanini lempahla esetshenzisiwe. Kepha lokho akuyona ukulahla, kodwa lokho kungaba yinzuzo yempilo. Kwi-Kalkbreite yokubambisana, engabonakala nakwifilimu, abantu bachitha cishe ingxenye yesine yamandla abo ngokuphila njengabanye, benza ngaphandle kwezimoto futhi basebenzise okuphansi ngesikwele semitha ngayinye yesikhala. Lezi zonke izinto ocabanga ukuthi zinemikhawulo kakhulu. Kepha baphila ngokumangazayo, lokho kuyimpilo ejabulisayo, emnandi, nokuzimisela, ngoba benza zonke izinqumo ngokuhlangene, ngoba kungukubambisana okufanelwe yigama lawo, hhayi ilebula nje.
Lezi zibonelo zibonisa ukuthi ukunciphisa abathengi akunamikhawulo yempilo. Ngokuphambene nalokho, njengoba endala, ehlakaniphile uMnu Fromm isishilo: I-oriental to be is empeleni ayisiyisihle kuphela, kepha inhle kakhulu kunesizinda sokuba nayo.
KIRNER: Leso isitatimende esihle kakhulu. Ngingakusayina ngokuphelele.
UKUKHONA: Kepha unawo umbono wokuthi iningi lomphakathi wethu liyakuqonda futhi liyakuqonda lokhu? Siphila emphakathini othenga amaphesenti amangaki emikhiqizo ye-Fairtrade?
KIRNER: Leli yipesenti elihle manje, elingaphezu kwesigamu.
LANGBEIN: Kepha hhayi ukusetshenziswa okuphelele.
KIRNER: Cha
UKUKHONA: Ngokuyikho, iphuzu.
LANGBEIN: Ngaphezu kwesigamu sabantu ngezikhathi ezithile bakhetha imikhiqizo ye-organic.
UKUKHONA: Inani elihle labantu lithenga imikhiqizo ye-organic, kepha hhayi kuphela, kepha njalo nangezikhathi ezithile. Futhi lelo yiqiniso. Ngiqhathanisa nalokhu nokuzibandakanya namhlanje, ukuthi ngeqiniso kuphela mayelana nokuthandwa nokukodwa okubizwa Clicktivism iphela. Lokho kusho ukuthi uzizwa usebenza futhi uzibophezele lapho usayina isicelo online, esenziwa ngemizuzwana ye-15. Kuhle futhi kubalulekile, kepha akusona isenzo sobuhlakani sangempela. Umbuzo wami-ke uthi: kuthiwani ngokuphumula okungahambi, okungenzeka ukuthi kwakha amaphesenti ama-70 alinganayo omphakathi wethu?
LANGBEIN: Lokho uhlangothi olulodwa, ngokungangabazeki. Futhi ngisamangele lapho ngibona ikholomu labafundi esiFundeni Sesi-XNUMX, bonke bethenga umkhiqizo wokudla olula, ngisho nakusihlwa. Ngicabanga kimi: Ngisesiqhingini impela. Lokhu kumkhuba oyinkinga.
Futhi uma ubheka, ngokwesibonelo, ukusetshenziswa kokudla okuvamile, sisekude nentuthuko efanelekile, ngoba ukuthuthuka okunengqondo kubizwa kuphela ngokuthi okwendawo, okusha bese kuba yi-organic.
Kunokucabanga kabusha okuyisisekelo okudingekile ukuthi ukulima kwabantu abampisholo kube khona, futhi ukuze siqhubeke nokudla okunempilo futhi kungakhathalekile i-Third World, manje singenisa ngaphezu kwesigamu emazweni asivela kubantu lapho kuncane kakhulu Yiba nokudla. Kepha olunye uhlangothi, ngiyakholelwa, kufanele ukuthi lubonakale. Akukho bufakazi obukhulu lapho, kodwa abantu abaningi ngokwengeziwe bathi: "Cha, ngincamela ukuhamba nami. Ngihlela noma ngisebenza ne-coop yokudla, ngisebenza embuthanweni wokuhweba, ngijoyina ukunyakaza kwama-commons noma umnotho ojwayelekile ojwayelekile. "Abantu abaningi baphinde bathathe izinyathelo ezisebenzayo, kepha jikelele lokhu akubonakali ngokwanele. Ngiqonde ukuthi, isicelo siyisibonakaliso esihle, kepha siyabukeka futhi asinayo into. Kepha okuntelwe yilaba bantu kungukulandisa okuvamile nezithombe zekusasa, lapho empeleni sifuna ukuhlangana khona. Futhi manje ngiyaqonda, ngokwesibonelo, ifilimu njengomnikelo omncane ekulandiseni okuvamile futhi ngibuye ngiqonde ukunyakaza okufana neFairtrade njengomnikelo kulokhu kulandisa. Kuphela sidinga ukulandisa lilonke, sidinga imibono yesikhathi esizayo esisihlanganisa ndawonye: singaya lapho. Lo ngumphakathi wokukhula ngemuva kwalokho futhi awukho egazini nasemlotheni, kepha le yimpilo enhle emayelana nayo, impilo engcono nempilo yokonga izinsiza. Futhi lapho sonke sifuna ukuya khona. Futhi le ndaba ehlanganyelwayo yinto engasatholakali. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele bakwakhe lokho futhi bakhulume.
KIRNER: Kuyingozi ukusho ukuthi, "Abanye abaqondi." Lokho akulona iqiniso. Uma sibheka imikhiqizo yesifunda, isibonelo, kuyinkinga enkulu ama-Austrian ukuthi sisebenzisa imikhiqizo yesifunda. Ngeke kube namuntu ovela emakilasini angafundile kangako emaphandleni ase-Austria ongasho ukuthi: "Ngicabanga ukuthi kuhle ukuthi sidle imikhiqizo ekhula esifundeni sami."
UKUKHONA: Kodwa iqiniso ukuthi, lapho beya esitolo, bathenga izithelo ezivela emazweni akude, noma kukhona nemikhiqizo yesifunda kule ndawo.
KIRNER: Leso futhi sisohlangothini olulodwa. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, izitolo ezinkulu ziya ngokuya ziphendukela ekubeni namakhona azo okudla kwasendaweni, ngisho nasezindaweni zasemakhaya.
Futhi lokhu akuyona into eyenzeka ngengozi, kodwa ngomphumela wengcindezi yabathengi abayifunayo nabayifunayo. Futhi lokho kufanele kube namandla futhi okudinga ukuqina ngokushesha.
Yebo, ukubekezela engikuzwa emibuzweni yakho, ngihlanganyela ngokuphelele ngoba asinaso isikhathi esiningi esisele. Njalo ngonyaka sisebenzisa izinsiza zomhlaba kabili ngonyaka, kepha sinomhlaba owodwa kuphela. Ngakho-ke isikhathi impela sokwenza ushintsho olukhulu.
UKUKHONA: Lapho, njengoba ushilo ngokwakho, lolu shintsho lubonakala luqhubeka. Ngicabanga ukuthi sonke siyakuzwa lokhu. Ukuthi lokho kwanele yini nokuthi ngabe sinayo ngempela iminyaka ye-25 noma sisafuna ukuyibuka kancane, lowo ngumbuzo. Kimi, ukhiye uwukuthi empeleni lokho kuyinto lever enkulu kunazo zonke. Isibonelo, uma ngibheka isu lethu lesimo sezulu, elithe ngokuzinza lithatha amagxathu amabili emuva ukusuka ekubukeni kwamaNGO amaningi ...
KIRNER: Kepha angikwazi ukudambisa abantu abanomthwalo wemfanelo futhi ngidlulisele kunoma yibaphi abantu abathatha izinqumo kwezepolitiki eVienna noma eBrussels. Ngiyazibophezela mina. Namuhla nje, lapho ngiqala ukuya phezulu, ngifunde i-athikili ethokozisayo emayelana nepulasitiki odoti bezinto eziphilayo. Akusilo iphutha lezepolitiki lelo, kepha abantu abavila kakhulu ukususa upulasitiki emgqonyeni wezibi. Isikhwama sepulasitiki engisifaka lapho, empeleni, sisatshalaliswa emasimini. Sinesibopho sakho.
Okwamanje kuyimfashini ukugxeka ukunyakaza okusimeme nokusho ukuthi abathengi abanasibopho sako konke. Kulungile, kodwa banesibopho sokuningi.
LANGBEIN: Kepha ngithanda ukugwema nokuxosha inqubomgomo emzibophelweni futhi sengivele ngiveze ukuthi izono eziningi ezinkulu zemvelo zeminyaka yamuva ziye zavela ngenxa yokuntuleka komthetho. Futhi uma manje sinohulumeni ababona kule mikhombandlela isithombe esiseduze nesitha futhi bethi lokho akudingekile, ukunakekelwa kufanelekile. Ngikholwa ukuthi kumele sifune ukuthi ezepolitiki ziguqulele okutholakele kwisayensi yemvelo zibe yimithetho, futhi yiqiniso lonke i-European Union iyadingeka, hhayi i-Austria kuphela. Yini evimbela ezepolitiki ukuvimba le pulasitiki engenangqondo ngalezi ziningi ngemithetho? Okuphambene nalokho kuyiqiniso, kuya ngokuya kukhula, iziqukathi zepulasitiki zanda nangaphezulu, ikakhulukazi ngemikhiqizo yokuvumelanisa. Konke kugcwele ngopulasitiki. Vele, imithetho ingangenela noma kufanele ingenelele, ngoba umthengi yedwa ubuthakathaka kakhulu. Futhi kufanele sithuthele ipolitiki lapho.
Futhi lokho kungaba yindawo yokuphekela. Njengamanje, inqubomgomo yezolimo ikhombisa ukuthi ingakwenza kahle kangakanani lokho, lapho amabhizinisi amakhulu nemali enkulu enza umculo, ukusho, nayo yonke ipolitiki ukudansa kulo mculo.
UKUKHONA: Kunesibonelo esihle kakhulu se-glyphosate. Le ntuthuko ihambe kabi ngokuphelele kwezepolitiki.
LANGBEIN: Yebo, futhi inkinga yangempela nge-glyphosate, ngombono wami, njengentatheli yezempilo, akuyona ukuthi iyisi-carcinogenic, kodwa inkinga yangempela ukuthi kungumculo ohambisana nalokhu kanye nentuthuko yokukhula okuhlanya ngokuphelele kwezolimo, okuyiyo inzalo ye-hybrid enezakhi zofuzo. Imboni manje izama ukuzisho ngengcindezi embi emhlabeni wonke ngosizo lwezombusazwe zase-Europe. Njengoba ubona, ezepolitiki zingenza okuningi. Uma kunjalo, kuzodala ukwehluka kwembewu kuvinjelwe yonke indawo futhi nabalimi abancane bazoba namathuba amancane kakhulu kunangaphambili.
UKUKHONA: Ingabe isihloko sokuziqonda, okuvela nakwifilimu, yisici esikhulu sokugqugquzela abantu kule ndawo?
KIRNER: Ukuzibona, ukuzimela, ngingathi, njengoba vele angisiye umdlwane wokusetshenziswa, kepha dala impilo yami futhi ngibe namathuba okukuthonya lokho. Lokhu kuyinto, engicabanga ukuthi, kudingeka sigxile kakhudlwana kukho. Abantu baseMelika banamandla amakhulu kunalawa esihlala nawo eYurophu ezinhlotsheni zabo, emcabangweni wabo wokuthi banesibopho sezimpilo zabo. AbaseYurophu kwesinye isikhathi bayakuxosha kancane lokho.
Futhi ngiyavuma ukuthi amalungiselelo ezepolitiki adingeka impela, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi sinawo ezandleni zethu. Futhi kuhle uma ngingazinqumela.
Ngenza impilo yami ngendlela engifuna ngayo, futhi hhayi ngoba omunye umuntu efuna ngigqoke uhlobo oluthile noma mhlawumbe kufanele ngibe nezimoto ezimbili phambi komnyango, ngenza. Ukukhetha kwami.
LANGBEIN: Kepha nakulokhu ngidinga izimo zohlaka. Futhi le ndlela yokuzinqumela, engiyibheka njengebaluleke kakhulu, ngoba thina njengabantu sidinga ukubhekelwa phansi futhi sihlupheka ngokuhlukaniswa, isimo sesimo somsebenzi wezomnotho, okungukuthi uma sisebenza, kungaba yimikhiqizo yezolimo nabalimi noma ukuhweba nomkhakha. Ukuthi izisusa zihamba ngendlela engeyiyo kukhona umkhiqizo wezepolitiki. Futhi lo mkhiqizo awunakuphikwa, futhi lokho kufanele kuguqulwe.
Ukuphakamisa izinhlobo zezomnotho ngokubambisana kuzoba ngumsebenzi kwezepolitiki, futhi kufanele sikufune lokho. Ngoba enye yokuziphatha komuntu ngamunye kanti enye ngumsebenzi. Futhi izinhlobo zomsebenzi okwamanje zisasuswa kude kakhulu namafomu wokuzimisela. Futhi uma ukhuthaza ukwenziwa kwezandla zomsebenzi wezandla futhi uma uxhasa amafomu wokukhiqiza abalimi basemakhaya futhi esikhundleni somkhakha omkhulu wezolimo nomkhakha omkhulu, izimo zihlukile.
UKUKHONA: Ngoba ukhuluma kanjena, kuyaqondakala ngokuyisisekelo ngombono wezepolitiki wokuthi imboni nezinkampani ezinkulu zinikezwa ukwesekwa okukhethekile ngoba, empeleni, zakha izinga elihlukile ngokuphelele lokudala imisebenzi.
KIRNER: Njengoba kufanele ngiphikisane manje. Ikakhulu e-Austria, izinkampani eziphakathi nendawo yizo ezidala imisebenzi.
UKUKHONA: Ngokombono wami, kunjalo, wenza kube lula kuwe ngokumane uxhase izinkampani ezinkulu ngezindlela ezahlukahlukene ukuze ukwazi ukugcina noma wandise imisebenzi. Ungakuguqula kanjani lokho? Ngokukhuthaza ama-SME noma ukwenza amabhizinisi ngobuciko ngaphezulu?
KIRNER: Isibonelo, emkhakheni wamandla futhi, kuyiphutha ngempela ukucabanga ukuthi, ngokwesibonelo, ukuhanjiswa kwamandla okuphakathi esinakho njengamanje kwakha amathuba emisebenzi amaningi kunalowo ohlonishwayo.
Kungaba yithuba elihle lemisebenzi emisha ukukhuthaza amanye amandla. Futhi ngikholwa ukuthi ngokwengxenye futhi singabenzi bezepolitiki abathatha ukucabanga ababoshiwe, okuvele ukuthi akusekho kuze kube manje.
Ngoba amandla e -hlukile angaba namandla amaningi, futhi uma uzama ukuqondisa uhlelo lwethu lwamandla ohlangothini lokuluhlaza okotshani, futhi nangokuphathelene nentela, khona-ke imisebenzi izodala, ingabhubhisi.
LANGBEIN: Ngiyakholelwa futhi ukuthi singalulekwa kahle ukuthi siqhubeke nesinyathelo esisodwa. Ngoba ingcindezi yokukhula ihambisana nohlelo lwethu lwezomnotho, nezombusazwe zisele ngemuva, futhi okuwukuphela kwento ebalulekile ukukhula. Lokho akubalulekile ngempela, akugcini ngokuhle kodwa nokusetshenziswa kwesisetshenziswa, okuvele kungasasebenzi.
Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi nathi kufanele sihambisane negxathu negxathu ngakolunye uhlangothi, kepha ngiphumele kulokhu kukhula. Kepha ubungxowankulu abukwazi ukuhlala ngaphandle kokukhula, buyayidinga, ngakho-ke sidinga ezinye izindlela zomnotho.
Futhi izinhlobo zokubambisana zokukhiqiza zingincazelo engaphezu kwalokhu kunengqondo. Kuliqiniso, uma bancintisana nohlelo lwezomnotho, bahlala baphoqelelwa ukuthi benze ukuyekethisa, kepha zona kanye izinqumo nezindlela zezinqumo zalapho zihlukile ngokwehlukile. Lokhu kungabonakala futhi emabambiswaneni amakhulu noma ezinhlanganweni zokusebenzisana ezisebenzayo futhi ezingeyona nje ilebuli.
URaiffeisen ubesebenza ngokubambisana eminyakeni engamakhulu amabili edlule futhi manje yibhizinisi lomhlaba wonke elisebenzisa le ilebuli kuphela. Ngakho-ke, akuyikho konke okubizwa ngokuthi ukusebenzisana ngokubambisana.
Kepha ngikholwa ukuthi selulekwe kahle ukuthi senze izimfuno kosopolitiki, futhi, ukuthi iziqalo ezinjengalezi nezinhlelo ziyagqugquzelwa ngoba zimane zenza omunye umnotho ubonakale.
UKUKHONA: Amagama angukhiye Raiffeisen. Kungenzeka kanjani lokho? Vele sikhuluma ngesikhathi esihlukile, akukho mbuzo.
LANGBEIN: Uma ubheka emuva kancane, ungabona ukuthi ngisho nenhlangano yokuqala yokubambisana yaseRaiffeisen ngamabomu ayengafuni ukungabaza uhlelo lwezomnotho, kodwa isebenzisa kuphela izinhlobo ezithile zokushintshana nezindlela zokubambisana eceleni kwalo. Wayengunembeza ongelona uhlelo lokudlula emhlabeni. Futhi ukunyakaza okunjalo, uma kungaqapheleki, lapho sebefinyelele usayizi othile, bacishe bagwetshwe ngokungenakuvinjwa ukushada uhlelo ngoba uma kungenjalo abakwazi ukuvela. Futhi yilokho kanye okwenzekile. Ngisho nama-cooperatives amakhulu ezindlu, aqhamuke ekucabangeni okufanayo, ahlanganiswe ngokuphelele ohlelweni. Kukhona, ngikholwa, namuhla imifelandawonye yezindlu ezimbili noma ezintathu ezifanelwe igama lazo, ezizama ngempela ukwenza amakhaya ashibhile, asebenza ngamandla futhi angakhulisi inzuzo. Nama-cooperatives wabathengi asephenduke usizi lwentando yeningi yezenhlalo. Esikhathini esiningi bachitha ngoba vele bebengasaphili futhi behlelwe ngentando yeningi.
Kepha ukwehluleka kwalokhu kusebenzisana ngokubambisana kusuka ngaphambi kwe-150, iminyaka ye-200 akufanele kusilinge ukuthi sithi lokho akusebenzi. Kunezibonelo zomhlaba wonke ezibonisa ukuthi vele iyasebenza.
Futhi uMondragón kwiBasque Country, isibonelo, yinhlangano yokubambisana. Sasikhona, nathi, esingayitholanga indawo ku-movie. Ziveza umqondo wokubambisana ngaphakathi kwezinkampani, phakathi kwezinkampani kanye nesifunda kanye nokuxhasa ngezimali izikhungo zemfundo kanye nezikhungo zocwaningo ezivela kumabambisene nabo. Lokhu kukhombisa ukuthi lokhu kungadlulela phambili nokuthi kuneminyakazo esevele ikwazi ukungabaza ukulungiswa okukodwa okunecala lokukhula nokuphindaphindeka kwemali.
Abezomnotho, futhi, kufanele baphume esihlalweni sabo sokunethezeka sezomnotho-somnotho, esifakazelwa ukuthi siyiphutha ezimweni eziningi, futhi empeleni baqale impikiswano engathi sína yomphakathi emphakathini wokukhula komnotho.
Futhi lapho udinga amamodeli nezinguquko, kunezici ezinjengalezo imali eyisisekelo eqinisekisiwe impela indima. Lokho kuzoba kukhulu kangakanani okufanele kube yisihloko sengxoxo. Kepha kumele futhi ngandlela thile sixazulule ubukhona bokuthola umsebenzi njengoba manje sesiqonda, ngoba uma kungenjalo konke kuzoqhekeka, bese empeleni ukusongela phansi amandla kusisongela. Futhi kufanele sihlole umsebenzi onenhlalo nowenhloso odingekayo ngaphezu komsebenzi wokuthola umbono ohlukile, ozobe ulungile futhi unengqondo, futhi ngaleyo ndlela futhi udale ukuqonda okuhlukile kokuhlangana kwethu kwezenhlalo.
KIRNER: Isihloko yilesi: Ngeke siyeke ukuthuthuka kwezobuchwepheshe, lokho akunakwenzeka ngokuphelele. Akudingeki ube yi-apocalyptist ukusho ukuthi uma singakwenzi, omunye umuntu uyakwenza.
Ngamanye amagama, uma singaziqambi izinto eYurophu, abanye bazokwazi, futhi bazokwazi ukukhiqiza ngendlela engabizi kakhulu emnothweni wezemakethe lapho sizophoqeleka ukuba semakethe.
Ngamanye amagama, kufanele sithole indlela yokubhekana nakho, futhi kuze kube manje, ngombono wami, sehlulekile nje. Kukhona lesi sitshalo esincane esinamahloni kanjalo imali eyisisekelo engenamibandela, ebiphonswe emncintiswaneni, kodwa ngizikhumbula ngempela ezinye izindlela. Ngeke sibe nesizukulwane esengeziwe isikhathi sokuthola izixazululo.
UKUKHONA: Kepha akubukeki sengathi kuzoqondiswa kwezepolitiki kunoma iyiphi indlela. Umshini wegama elingukhiye noma intela yomshini wokuthengisa.
LANGBEIN: Okwamanje izinto zimane nje ziphambana e-Austria. Kepha uma unethemba elikhulu, ungasho ukuthi kungaba yisiqephu esincane. Ngoba uma siqhubeka nokusebenzisa inqubomgomo singaboni futhi sibuyele emuva, umphakathi wethu udonsela odongeni. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi bayakubona lokho.
UKUKHONA: Sifuna inguquko iye ekusimameni, kumandla avuselelekayo, kumodeli yokubambisana, ekukhuleni kweposi. Kepha sikuthola kanjani lokho? Ngamanye amagama, lo msebenzi ngaphakathi kohlelo lobungxowankulu ngokuxhaphaza umsebenzi wohlelo ukuqinisa intuthuko yalo? Yilokho uFairtrade akwenzayo. Noma ingabe idinga ushintsho olukhulu emithethweni ngokuthi, "Sifuna impela ukuthambisa futhi siguqule ubukhapitali manje." Lokho kuzofanela kwenzeke ezingeni eliphakeme, ngokwesibonelo ezingeni le-EU.
LANGBEIN: Kuzofanele kube, noma kunjalo, ngicabanga. Isinyathelo sokuqala ukukhumbula ukuthi yini i-1945 20 ne-30, iminyaka, ubungako bezepolitiki bokufaka ubushosayensi emjondolo obuzwakalayo nokwakha izimo ezinqande imiphumela ebhubhisa kakhulu yobukhapitali, njengobungxowankulu bezezimali. Kunjalo usuku.
Ukuhleleka kosuku kuzoba ukubheka ukuthi umnotho ongakhululekanga kokukhula ubukeka kanjani. Futhi kufanele kube nezinye izinto ezisebenzayo ukwedlula ukwanda kwemali nje njengomgomo, ngoba uma kungenjalo sizohlala emgqeni wokukhula futhi singeke sakwazi ukusinda izinkampani ezingakhuli. Ngamanye amagama, sidinga ezinye izindlela zomsebenzi wezomnotho, okokuqala futhi, ngethemba, ngokuzayo njengendlela evelele yomsebenzi wezomnotho.
KIRNER: Yebo ngiyisayina ngaleyondlela.
UKUKHONA: Lokho empeleni akuwuphenduli umbuzo wami. Kimi, iphuzu elibalulekile ngukuthi: yini edingekayo ukuguqula umnotho ngokuyisisekelo? Ngabe kwenzeka kanjani ukuthi kube nenguquko kumphakathi wokukhula komnotho?
KIRNER: Ngicabanga ukuthi yingakho imizamo efana neFairtrade ibalulekile, hhayi thina kuphela, kepha ezinye izindlela eziningi zokubambisana uma zisenza sibone ukuthi izinto azifani. Ukuthi asikholwa ukuthi kumele kuqhubeke njalo. Futhi sengithembele esizukulwaneni esilandelayo. Kuhlale kushiwo ukuthi abantu abasha banokunye okusengqondweni. Kepha akusilo iqiniso lokho. Uma ngibheka ukuthi zingakanani izingane zami kanye nokucabanga kokucabanga phambili ezinganeni yami nendawo yazo nezinye ezikoleni eziningi engizikhulumayo ukuthi zizosebenza lapha, sengivele nginethemba lokuthi lokhu kungenziwa ngokushesha okukhulu.
Sihlala sicabanga kulezi zentuthuko ezilandelanayo. Akunjalo. I-Fairtrade ibuye yathatha iminyaka eyi-15 ukuyenza yaqala, futhi eminyakeni eyishumi edlule kube nomfutho ongaphezulu wokuqina.
Kwakufana neBio, kwathatha isikhathi eside ukuqala, yabe isenyuka. Intuthuko enjalo ingahamba ngokushesha okukhulu. Isithuthi, ngokwesibonelo, asisenaso isimo esifanayo sentsha yanamuhla njengoba yenza kithi ngaleso sikhathi. Abantu abasha bayadla, ngoba ngamunye wethu ufuna ukudla nokudla, kepha hhayi ngezinga esinalo.
LANGBEIN: Sikuthola kunzima ukuthola ama-interns angakwazi ukushayela ngoba lokho akusho lutho nje kulaba bantu. Kepha bengifuna ukungeza enye into: kukhona futhi amandla ezibonelo nezithombe.
Ngenkathi ngikulalele, kwenzeka kimi ukuthi ngise-Uganda eMgodini wokuqala we-Fairtrade Gold mine e-Afrika. Umbonile. Futhi bengingazi ubukhulu balokho ngaphambilini, kepha kunezigidi zabantu be-100 ezisebenza ngezandla zazo ukumba izinsiza zethu zisuka emhlabathini. Benginaso isithombe esihluke ngokuphelele. Abantu abayizigidi ze-100. Futhi lapho ungabona khona ushintsho olukhulu olungakholeki olwenzeka lapho kubantu manje abasebenza kulo mgodi wegolide we-Fairtrade, ngokubambisana okuhleliwe.
Izindinganiso zokuphepha zisavamisile, kepha azisekho ezifile, kepha kunomsebenzi ofanele. Ungakwenza ngaphandle kwe-mercury futhi uthole amaphesenti we-95 esikhundleni samaphesenti we-30 wentengo yemakethe yomhlaba yegolide lakho. Lezi zinyathelo ngokuzumayo zenza impilo ibe khona. Ngakho-ke kufanele sisakaze izithombe ezinjalo ngoba zibonisa wonke umuntu empeleni ofuna ukungachithi lutho ngemikhiqizo ayithengayo, akudingekile ukuthi abhubhise okuthile nabo. Izithombe ezinjalo zinamandla.
UKUKHONA: Vele, lokho kuningi. Kepha uma sikhuluma ngezithombe kanye nezindaba, nakanjani kufanele ubuke imvelo yethu yezindaba. Futhi njengoba kubukeka sengathi lokhu okuqukethwe kudluliselwe ngokuqinile.
KIRNER: Ukugxekwa kwabezindaba okwamanje ku-vogue, yingakho ngikuthola kunzima ngempela ukungena kulolu phondo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile nje ukuthi abezindaba benze umsebenzi wabo. Kodwa-ke, nginenkinga yokufuna njalo ukunakwa nokubheka okuthile okujabulisa abantu ukuthi bayifunde. Isibonelo, cabanga ngesimo sezepolitiki e-Austria kuphela. Siphila ezweni elizinzile kakhulu, lapho, emashumini ambalwa eminyaka edlule, ababenenqubomgomo abenze umsebenzi omuhle, kufanele usho lokho. Kuliqiniso ukuthi kunezinto ezingahambanga kahle, kodwa iqiniso ukuthi savela enkingeni yezomnotho kahle. Siphila ezweni lapho kungekho muntu okufanele afe yindlala futhi ngokuyisisekelo wonke umuntu unempilo. Ngakho-ke empeleni sisesimweni esihle.
Futhi nokho, ihlazo lihlala lifunwa njalo. Vele kufanele uvumbulule izinto futhi. Isibonelo, uma kunenkinga ngesibhedlela, kufanele ukuveze lokho. Kepha kuyinkinga ukuthi uhlala ugxile kukho.
LANGBEIN: Ukuthambekela kwabezindaba ku-hysteria kwimpumelelo yesikhashana esifushane kuyinkinga impela. Futhi kufanele sonke sisebenzele ukumelana nayo futhi sizame ukuvimba ozakwethu ukuthi bangaqhubeki phambili kulokhu kuguquguquka. Awukho umhlaba wezindaba, kepha kunemithombo yezindaba ehlukile kakhulu. Futhi kunomhlaba wemidiya wokubuza okungapheli nokubuka kanye nezithombe zomdwebo wesikhathi esizayo kanye nengxoxo evusayo, futhi okudingeka ukuqiniswa. Vele, ezepolitiki zingenza lokho ngemixhaso yazo kanye nezikhangiso, ezikwenzayo njengamanje.
UKUKHONA: Ake sibuyele ekusetshenzisweni kwesisindo. Ngokubona kwami, umuntu udinga ushintsho kumanani.
LANGBEIN: Kunoma yikuphi.
UKUKHONA: Kungakho ngize esihlokweni sabezindaba. Ngokubona kwami, iningi lezinhloso zethu ligxile ngokuphelele ekugxambeni. Kwabaningi, okulungele umphakathi wethu umuntu ocebile, othile odumile, inkanyezi ye-pop, umlingisi.
LANGBEIN: Kodwa kungani abantu manje bekhetha i-populist enamaphiko alungile noma indlela yakhona esekude? Ngoba bayasaba nangenxa yokuthi bazizwa bengahleki. Babona ukuthi baboshwe. Uqaphela ukuthi yingxenye encane kakhulu, futhi ebangeni lezinkulungwane, elingavuka kule ndawo.
Iningi liphakathi kwalabo abalahlekelwe yile ntuthuko. Ngakolunye uhlangothi kukhona ukunyakaza kwabantu abahamba baye ekwanelisekeni, ukwaneliseka kwempilo, bafuna impilo ehlukile, umnotho ohlukile.
Ngiyethemba ngokweqiniso ukuthi kulo mqhudelwano, umuntu ohlulekile nophumelele empilweni entsha ekugcineni angathola amandla amaningi ezithombeni ezinhle zenye, impilo engcono. Okwamanje akukabi njalo, ngiyavumelana nawe.
KIRNER:
Ngiqonde ukuthi nje ukuthi igama elithi-goodre seliyigama elingcolile, empeleni seliguqulwe ngokuphelele. Ngiyakhumbula, ngakhula esikhathini lapho laba bantu ababengamaqhawe bengamaqhawe, uGandhi futhi njengoba babebizwa kanjalo. Laba bantu obefuna ukubalingisa. Kepha eminyakeni engamashumi ayisishiyagalolunye abasebhange laseWall Street baba yizibonelo ezinhle kakhulu.
LANGBEIN: Kepha lokho sekuqala ukuhlukana.
KIRNER: Yebo, lokho akunikezwa uNkulunkulu.
LANGBEIN: Kepha kungukufutheka okungenamsoco manje. Le ntukuthelo ingaqondiswa, futhi lokho kuyenzeka manje lapho kuqondiswa khona abantu abanamaphiko.
UKUKHONA: Kepha endaweni engafanele.
LANGBEIN: Impela, endaweni engafanele. Kepha akunikiwe uNkulunkulu ukuthi kufanele ihlale injalo.
KIRNER: Nginethemba ngokwengeziwe ngalokho manje. Isibonelo, uma ngibheka e-United States, abantu bavele babe nolaka olunjalo ngoba bezwa sengathi akekho umuntu obakhathalelayo. Ngemuva kwalokho umane ukhethe umuntu okungenani ozenza sengathi uzobakhulumela futhi abashintshe okuthile. Uma ubheka la mazwe okuthiwa yi-fly-over, kungakanani usizi olukhona lapho emashumini ambalwa eminyaka adlule, imisebenzi ilahlekelwe yi-masse, abantu bazogcina sebebheke lukhulu, futhi manje selukhethiwe.
Umbuzo uwukuthi, futhi lokho kuzoba futhi i-crux yaseYurophu ngokubanzi: siyakwazi ukukhuluma nalaba bantu futhi?
Ngiphinde ngasho ukuthi nabaphethe, ukuthi umuntu akufanele anikeze umbono wokuthi lolu wuhlelo kuphela lwesigaba esiphakeme esifundile. Lesi yisihloko okufanele sishukumise wonke umuntu. Uma ngithenga umkhiqizo lapha, onjengebhanana, ngokwesibonelo, khona-ke angifuni isisebenzi ngakolunye uhlangothi lomhlaba siphila ezimweni ezimbi kakhulu. Ngoba nami angikufuni lokho.
Omunye osebenza efektri naye ufuna ukuhlonishwa futhi athole umholo ofanele. Futhi ngalokho ungafinyelela kubantu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi iFairtrade yenza kahle. Futhi abanye bangakwenza lokho, kufaka phakathi ubuzwe. Umnotho lo ngokubambisana ungaba yinto ethile engasetjenziswa ukukhanga abantu.
UKUKHONA: Ngivumelana ngokuphelele nawe. Ngeshwa, sengivele ngisesimweni esibucayi phakathi kwayo yonke ingxoxo.
KIRNER: Kungumsebenzi wakho futhi lowo.
UKUKHONA: Ngokuyisisekelo, nami ngiyithemba elihle. Kepha akusadingi yini imithetho efanelekile, esesikhathini, isibonelo maqondana nemvelo, maqondana nokuhanjiswa kwemikhiqizo, ngokwesibonelo, China ukuya eYurophu? Isibonelo, intela ye-eco kuyo yonke imikhiqizo ehamba amabanga amade kuno-300 amakhilomitha.
LANGBEIN: Izintela zilawulwa futhi ngentela kufanele ilawulwe. Ilawulwa ngokuphelele ngokungafanele okwamanje. Ukugcwala ngokweqile kwemali engenayo yezabasebenzi kusheshisa inqubo yokuthi kuzodingeka abasebenzi abambalwa. Iqiniso lokuthi ezokuthutha ngesimo esisodwa zixhaswe ngemali yomphakathi zisishukumisela ukuba sibe nemikhiqizo ecishe ibe kuphela ekhiqizwa ngakolunye uhlangothi lomhlaba ngoba ikhiqizwa lapho ishibhile kancane.
Kepha uma ubheka imiphumela yemvelo yalokhu kuhlanya ngenqubo, umthethosivivinywa awulungile. Sidinga ezinye izikweletu. Kufanele sifune izinqubomgomo ezinengqondo ngoba sizidinga ngokuphuthumayo.
KIRNER: Sivela esikhathini lapho imikhiqizo bekufanele ibe eshibhile, ukuze abantu bakwazi ukuyithenga bese kuthi ukuchuma kwandiswe. Kepha manje sesiseduze, lapho lokhu kungasebenzi khona.
Uma imikhiqizo ithola eshibhile, ngeke sikwazi ukudala ingcebo eningi labantu abaningi. Lokhu singakwenza uma sisebenzisa okufanele futhi uma sithuthukisa imisebenzi esifundeni lapha e-Europe nase-USA kanye nase China.
LANGBEIN: Ukusetshenziswa okungagciniwe akuyona i-buzzword, kodwa imfuneko yehora.
KIRNER: Yebo. Lokhu kuyinto engaba yinjini ngokuphelele yokukhula kwemisebenzi. Futhi lolu shintsho ekucabangeni ukuthi, ngokwesibonelo, lwentela lwamandla futhi lukhulula abasebenzi.
Uma sizibuka sodwa, ukuthi sikhokha intela yamaphesenti ama-50, umqashi futhi amaphesenti we-30, lokho kungumthwalo omkhulu wentela, empeleni osebenza. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, amandla, akhokhiswa intela. futhi Ezenzakalelayo, isisebenzi somshini.
Angisho ukuthi kunesisombululo esilula. Kepha uma singakwenzi lokho maduze, lo mfutho uzoqina futhi ekugcineni ngeke kube nezintela ezanele zabasebenzi. Ngemuva kwalokho sidinga esinye isixazululo.
LANGBEIN: Futhi ukubuyela othandweni lwami lwesikhashana, izibonelo ezisefilimini zibonisa ukuthi lapho abantu bethatha ikusasa elibahambisa nezinhlobo zokuphila abangena kuzo, kunamathuba okudala aze afike ezingeni elithile, njengoba ngokuvamile singacabangi ukuthi kungenzeka.
I-1,5 inganikela ngezigidi zabantu ngokudla okuphathelene nesifunda, okusha. Umuntu anganciphisa inhlangano yezomhlaba efana ne-Unilever bese ethi: Cha, ngeke sivumele ifektri yethu ukuthi iye ezweni laseMpumalanga, kepha sizoyithatha iminyaka emithathu, kuze kube yilapho inkampani iqala ukuhlangana.
Uma lokhu kwenzeka emnyango, ngamunye wethu angasho ukuthi akusebenzi. Futhi bheka, kwahamba. Kumane kukhombisa ukuthi sonke kudingeka sithathe izindaba ngezandla zethu. Siphila ngentando yeningi, futhi kwipolitiki yentando yeningi ingathonywa ngabantu. Ake siqale ngalokho.
UKUKHONA: Kodwa akukhona yini umehluko ukuthi lezi zenzo nezinyathelo zisebenza lapho uthinteka ngqo?
LANGBEIN: Yebo, kepha sonke siyathinteka ngqo.
UKUKHONA: Yebo, kepha lokho kukude nathi. Uma ngingumlimi wase-Austrian, ngithambekele kakhulu ekuthatheni isinyathelo kunokuba ngibe ngumthengi manje otenga imikhiqizo ye-organic.
LANGBEIN: Kepha ukunyakaza okufana nokunyakaza kwe-organic ne-Fairtrade kukhombisa ukuthi kungenzeka, umzuzu lapho kucace kahle ukuthi ngiyiphi ithonya ezinqumweni zami zokuthenga. Futhi yilokho emayelana nakho, kufanele wenze lezo zixhumi. Emphakathini osuselwa ekuhlukaniseni abasebenzi, umuntu ngeke esakwazi ukukhiqiza izithombe ngokuqondile, okuyindlela ekhethiwe. Kunengqondo, kunjalo, uma umthengi emazi umlimi owenza imifino yakhe, kepha lokho ngeke kuhlale kusebenza. Futhi ukuthi uyazi wonke umgodi waseKatanga, ophathisa i-cobalt amabhethri kumaselula ethu, lokho ngeke kusebenze. Kepha kungenziwa kuxazululwe ngokunikeza izinhlangano ezinjengeFairtrade nokunye okunjalo, ezithatha lokhu kubekwa nomsebenzi wolwazi.
UKUKHONA: Isibonelo esihle nguHansalim waseNingizimu Korea. Ngabe leyo yinto engekho e-Europe?
KIRNER: Mhlawumbe hhayi ngezinga elilingana nelikaHansalim, kepha abathengisi baseSwitzerland basahleliwe ngokubambisana. Ngakho-ke lokho kuhle kakhulu, yize kungenjalo lokhu kuxhumana okuqondile ngezinga elikhona eSouth Korea. Akukhathalekile, futhi naseSwitzerland, kodwa hhayi ngezinga engingalisho, njengaseNingizimu Korea.
LANGBEIN: Ngikholelwa ngokuqinile ukuthi leli yiphuzu elibaluleke kakhulu.
UKUKHONA: Ingabe lokhu igebe lemakethe?
LANGBEIN: Yebo.
Futhi nginethemba. Okungenani eJalimane, izingxoxo sezivele zenzeka phakathi kwalokhu kudla okukhona kanye nokuqala okusekwe ngokuqinile kwezolimo kuze kube ukuhamba kancane kokudla, okuhlanganyela konke lokhu kukhathazeka ngandlela thile, kuphela kukodwa kuholele enhlanganweni enkulu.
Ngoba-ke, iqiniso, amandla ale nhlangano ahlukile kakhulu, sengathi ngamunye usebenza ngokwehlukana kwabo. Ngakho-ke, ubuntu buhambile buze kakhulu, futhi ukubambisana kufanele kube lapho. Ngiyethemba kukhona lokhu ukunyakaza.
UKUKHONA: UHansalim akayona inkampani ethengisa ngomzimba kodwa futhi uyimakethe? Ngabe unayo nezitolo?
LANGBEIN:
I-Hansalim iyinhlangano yokubambisana phakathi kwabalimi abambalwa be-10.000 abangamalungu e-Cooperation, kanye nezigidi zabathengi be-1,5 abangamalungu ale nyunyana, futhi, nethimba elincanyana lokungena ngaphakathi, okulilawulayo, ngamaphesenti ama-30 womzamo kufaka phakathi ukucwilisa ukudla ukukhiqizwa kwe-tofu njalonjalo, ukukhiqiza imikhiqizo yezolimo ye-2000 nokunikeza abahlali bomuzi idolobha lesifunda kuphela, ukudla okusha okusha, futhi cishe kuphela okuphathelene nezinto eziphilayo.
Futhi ngakolunye uhlangothi, abalimi abancane banombono wezomnotho, ngoba esikhundleni se-20 25 kuya kumaphesenti we-70 entengo yabathengi, ngokuzumayo bathola amaphesenti we-XNUMX. Ngalokho, umlimi omncane angaphila, futhi, futhi lo msebenzi wokuphatha abampofu ungaba umsebenzi ojwayelekile lapho umuntu angakwazi khona ukuthola isikhathi samahhala. Lokho kuyisihluthulelo esibalulekile sokusinda kwezinhlaka zabasebenzi, ukuthi abampofu babe yingcweti, njengoba kwenza abanye, ngamathuba okuphila. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, awukwazi ukuya kwithengwa lezitolo ezinkulu emadolobheni, njengoba ngeshwa zinjalo, futhi uthenge izithelo ezi-organic ezivela eChile kwaDenn.
UKUKHONA: Ngabe kubukeka kanjani kusuka ohlangothini lwabathengi? Bangamalungu?
LANGBEIN: Yebo. Amalungu kuphela angathola izimpahla zawo lapho.
UKUKHONA: Kodwa azikho yini izitolo ezinkulu?
LANGBEIN: Lezi yizitolo ze-220, ezinokuza ezimbalwa ngonyaka. Njalo ngonyaka amalungu amasha e-60.000 ajoyina, ngoba lokho kuyathandeka kakhulu. Uma uyilungu lapho, ungabheka amanani anikezwe lapho, imikhiqizo, ngaphandle kwalokho. Futhi amanani ayaxoxwe futhi anqunywe minyaka yonke phakathi kwabathengi nabakhiqizi, ngakho-ke abalimi bayazi ukuthi bathola inani lentengo elihleliwe lama-mandarin abo noma okusanhlamvu noma ama-soya abo unyaka wonke, ngaphandle kokushintshashintsha kwezimakethe zomhlaba noma okunye ukuguquguquka.
UKUKHONA: Lapha sibuyele ekwethulweni kwevelu. Yize kunjalo, iningi labantu liqala ibhizinisi ukuze lizuze, hhayi nje ukuze liphile.
LANGBEIN: Ngingakuphika lokho ecaleni. I-Cooperative Hansalim yasungulwa ngaphambi kweminyaka ye-30 eyedlule njengenyathelo elincane kakhulu njenganoma ikuphi ukubambisana esingaba nakho namuhla futhi ikhule phakathi kweminyaka eyi-30 ngoba inika abalimi imali enhle, engenayo. Lokhu kuphambene nosizi lwabalimi bethu, ngaphandle kwabalimi abakhulu. Iphinde inikeze abathengi emadolobheni izifunda, umkhiqizo omusha. Lokhu kuyimodeli yebhizinisi edlulela kakhulu kunokwanda kwemali. Kepha ngicabanga kanjalo, futhi sixoxile ngokwanele ukuthi abantu abaningi ngokwengeziwe bafuna ezinye izindlela zomsebenzi wezomnotho nokufezekisa okwabo, okudlula ekwenzeni imali okumsulwa noma ukwanda kwemali njengesiphetho uqobo.
KIRNER: Vele, lokhu futhi kungaba yindawo yokuthi abathengisi abakhona bakwazi ukuhamba kule ndlela. Ngoba ukuhweba kwe-Intanethi kuyinto, futhi ngikholwa ukuthi, lo mkhakha uyathuthumela kakhulu, ngoba lesi isinyathelo esilandelayo phambili kulokhu kungaziwa. Futhi imikhiqizo yesifunda, noma imikhiqizo lapho uyazi ukuthi ivela kuphi, futhi lapho unemibandela yokusebenza ngemuva kwayo ephethwe, yinto abathengisi besifunda abangayihlukanisa kahle kumthengisi omkhulu, ongaziwa. Ngezinhlaka zokubambisana, umbuzo uwukuthi ngabe lokhu kusazoshesha yini ngosayizi namuhla e-Austria. Iphuzu liwukuthi: lokho ukubambisana okuncane kakhulu. Vele, uma kuvela omasibambisane kukhona njalo umfutho omkhulu ngemuva kwabo. Ngaso sonke isikhathi ngikhumbula isibonelo saseNicaragua. Lapho ushayela usuka edolobheni elilandelayo amahora amabili nge-jeep. Kepha abantu balapho abanayo iJeep, okusho ukuthi bahamba ibanga elide ukuyothenga izimpahla zabo.
Uma umfelandawonye eqoqa iloli futhi eqoqa izimpahla ezivela kubalimi, kuyinyathelo elikhulu eliya phambili kubo. Umlimi eNicaragua akatholi sikweletu. Okusho ukuthi, banganikeza kuphela enye nenye inkokhelo. Le ndlela uhlelo lokubambisana lwaba ngayo eYurophu.
LANGBEIN: Yebo. Futhi amaphrojekthi ambalwa weFairtrade ahlelwe ngokubambisana.
KIRNER: Sizama ukwenza lokhu ngokubambisana namaketanga akhona okuthengisa. Futhi sizama ukuthuthuka ezinhlakeni ezikhona. Lokhu kusho ukuthi izinhlaka zokubambisana ziyakhiwa phakathi kwabalimi, abangakwazi ukuletha ngqo ngangokunokwenzeka kubathengisi baseYurophu. Kwesinye isikhathi udinga abaphakathi ngoba, ngokwesibonelo, baphatha imvume yamasiko. Kepha okusemqoka ukuthi amaketanga enani kufanele abonakale futhi abe mfushane kakhulu, nokugeleza kokukhokha kokuthi ngubani othola lokho okufanele futhi kube sobala ngokwengeziwe. Futhi leyo yinto esiyibona njengamanje njengokuthuthuka okukhulu kumaketanga okuhlinzeka. Le teknoloji ye-blockchain nayo ingadlala indima ekutheni ukugeleza kokulethwa kungalandelwa kalula. Yebo, kunezinto ezenzekayo ezinamandla okushintsha kakhulu eminyakeni eyishumi noma engama-20 ezayo. Ngakho-ke lokho kusho ukuthi nginethemba eliphelele lokuthi kungaphumelela.
UKUKHONA: Ekugcineni, yini okufanele ize kuqala? Yini okufanele yenzeke? Yini engaba yinto ebaluleke kunazo zonke, i-lever enkulu? Sesishilo ukuthi umthengi kufanele adle ngokufanele, kucacile. Ngabe idinga ingcindezi kwezepolitiki?
LANGBEIN: Manje sesisondela emibuzweni yokuqala, kodwa isivele iphenduliwe. Ngizoziphinda manje.
UKUKHONA: Ngidinga igama lokugcina.
LANGBEIN: Izidinga zombili. Futhi akukho o-lever, kepha kukhona abaningi abano-levers. Lokhu futhi ngikubona kusuka emsebenzini wami wefilimu ukuthi kunezindlela ezimbalwa ezahlukahlukene kanye nezendlalelo ezahlukahlukene nokuthi konke lokhu ngathi kungathi sonke sesibonile ukuthi umhlaba ngeke usebenze uma siqhubeka kanjalo. Amabhizinisi, njengasesikhathini esedlule, athatha enye yalezi zimbangi, kungaba ukusebenzisana ngokubambisana noma aqinisekise ukuthi sidla esifundeni futhi futhi ngokusha esikhundleni sokulandela imigudu ebhubhisayo yezimboni zokudla nezolimo. Kufanele sithathe izindaba sisezandleni zethu sinomqondo wokuba nesibindi sokuthi akukho esingakuthola, futhi ngokuqinisekile asiqhamuki kule nqubomgomo. Ngifisa nokuthi le nqubomgomo ibe yimpilo emfushane kakhulu. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, futhi sidinga ukusekela imizamo efana neFairtrade noma efanayo, efuna ukudala ukucaca okuningilizayo kuthengi lokuhlinzekwa oluyinkimbinkimbi lwemakethe yezwe nokuqinisekisa izimo ezifanele ekuqaleni kwaleli chungechunge. Iqiniso ngukuthi lisenze sazi ukuthi sinekusasa lethu ezandleni zethu nokuthi singakushintsha kuphela uma sithatha lokho esinakho ezandleni zethu.
KIRNER: Esikudingayo manje ukuqonda ukuthi umhlaba uye waba ngcono kakhulu emashumini ambalwa eminyaka adlule. Akuyona indawo efiselekayo. Kuba ngcono futhi kube ngcono kubantu abaningi, ukuchuma kuyakhula, siphila isikhathi eside, siphila impilo engcono kunangaphambili. Futhi singakwenza esikushilo lapha, ukuthi empeleni sidinga uhlelo olusha uma sifuna ukusinda emagagasini obuchwepheshe obuza kithi manje. Sidinga izindlela ezintsha zokuqhubekela phambili.
Ngokupheka kwekhulu lokugcina akuzona izinkinga ze-21. I-Century iyaxazululwa. Sidinga ukubheka ngempela ukhonkolo ukuthi sizisingatha kanjani izingqinamba nokuthi singayenza kanjani impilo ibe yifanele ukuziphilela izingane zethu nabazukulu. Futhi kunesidingo sezindlela ezintsha kanye nesibopho sabantu sokudla ukuze bangasebenzisi umhlaba ngokweqile, noma bazithwese umthwalo ngezinto ezingadingi muntu, kepha basebenzise ngokunengqondo, ukudla ukudla okunempilo. Futhi lokho kumane kuxazulule izinkinga eziningi.
Ngiyabonga ngokufunda!
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